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  • 1.  Geopiers

    Posted 10 days ago
    Hello - does anyone have any experience with geopiers?   
    I am working on a project that I became involved in after a value engineering effort where the contractor proposed utilizing geopiers at a half million dollar cost savings, rather than removing contaminated soils.   

    I understand that the use of geopiers involves delegated design but what I don't understand is how their use cannot have any impact on the existing structural footing and slab on grade design (which both the contractor and architect are telling me Is the case).    

    I am serving as the owners project representative on this project.   

    Does not the use of geopiers change the bearing conditions to point loads?

    Any thoughts appreciated.  

    Andy Soles, AIA
    Soles Consulting, LLC


  • 2.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago

    We have used them before on a project, but they were used in lieu of a block foundation with crawlspace. So it was trusses. So the foundation walls turned into columns w/ beams that where supported by the geopiers. The piers where under the foundation for each column.  And I believe this is what you are envisioning would need to happen. 

    But the geopiers also work with a slab on grade. They just reach down into the good stable soil to help stabilize everything and avoid doing a lot of digging. Sometimes they have to go very deep. We use them a lot also in areas with very sandy soils where we need to bypass the sand to the bedrock but don't want to dig it all out.  The Geopiers.com website it has a lot of images and explanations as to how they work. They could also be used directly under a foundation under a foundation. 



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    Emili McMakin AIA
    Form & Function Architecture, PC
    Asheville NC
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  • 3.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago

    Hello Andy

    In addition to being a licensed Architect, I am also a licensed Land Surveyor. One of the services we offer is construction layout. We were involved with geopiers on a few projects all on the layout side - not the design side. The layout, installation and asbuilting was a little more involved than say structural piles. I cannot speak to how this system worked out with the footings and slabs, but I may be able to get some answers from the Structural Engineers involved. 

    Best 

    DJ McCutcheon, Jr. LS AIA



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    Donald McCutcheon LS AIA
    McCutcheon Associates, P.A.
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  • 4.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago

    Thanks DJ.    My primary question/concern is can a building designed for typical spread footings and slab on grade be supported on geopiers with no change to the structural design?

    Given my understanding of how geopiers work, I would think that wherever they were implemented would change the bearing condition to points loads thus requiring either a footing design that can span from pier to pier location - or a structural slab design if they were utilized under the slab.  

    Andy



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    Andrew Soles AIA
    Soles Consulting
    Conway MA
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  • 5.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago

    The following is a response from our Structural Engineer:

    Without a clear understanding of the overall building structure I cannot answer the question.

    For gravity loads on floor slab a load transfer mat / plate with crushed stone is required to arch over between the geopiers. No structural slabs are provided. At columns you need to have a footing / cap that will straddle the geopiers.

    Lateral loads from bracing etc are difficult to dissipate. You have to develop resistance with passive pressure or friction between the concrete elements and the soil. The geopiers have no lateral capacity.

    Similarly, for the uplift you have to add an uplift anchor rod that is bonded and grouted to handle the tension loads.

    Hope this information helps. 



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    DJ McCutcheon, Jr. LS AIA
    McCutcheon Associates, P.A.
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  • 6.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago

    I am working on a 4 story condo project in Chattanooga, TN that is utilizing rammed aggregate piers.  We have column footings that were getting pretty sizable and were designed to 2000 psf soil bearing capacity.  The size the of column footings were able to be reduced by 40-50% by using piers as long as the soil bearing capacity could meet 4000 psf.  It did require our structural engineer to redesign the footings and coordinate with information from the pier designer.  We did not have an application that applied to continuous spread footings since the columns were carrying the majority of the building loads.    

    Dawn Snyder, AIA



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    Dawn Snyder AIA
    ALLY Architecture
    Chattanooga TN
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  • 7.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 7 days ago
    Andrew,
    We had a similar situation where the soil report for the property was not completed until we had most of our building structural design completed.  The structural design started with the assumption of using conventional spread footings.  Once the report was done, the geotech engineer suggested using Geopiers as one of the potential solutions.  Our structural engineer had to coordinate the footings/ foundation design as well as slab design with the Geopiers company who engineered the Geopier system to make sure all the imposed loads of the structure was properly managed.  This led to a small additional service fee by the structural engineer & the architect to review and coordinate with the Geopiers company.  Obviously, due to crappy soil, the Geopiers added cost to the project but ultimately the foundation originally designed by the structural engineer did not change and did not get more expensive.  Things like spacing of the Geopiers had to be coordinated to make sure footing design did not have to be altered. 

    Benjamin J. Horten, AIA
    Email:  benhortenarch@gmail.com
    Ben Horten
     architecture & design
    312 State Route 10 (west)
    Randolph, NJ 07869
    C# 973.951.0678 
    Ph# 973.442.5880
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  • 8.  RE: Geopiers

    Posted 6 days ago
    Ben,
    Thank you for your response.  Obviously, our structural engineer will have to make the final determination once the delegated design for the geopiers is submitted.  Interestingly enough, in our case we were aware of the crappy soil conditions and the geopiers were suggested by the GC as a value engineering item.

     Andrew Soles, AIA
    Soles Consulting, LLC
    413-522-1776