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  • 1.  ConsensusDOCS Architect Owner Contracts

    Posted 07-22-2011 12:57 AM
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    I am currently working with a developer who prefers to use ConsensusDOCS contracts in place of the AIA Documents.  Does anyone have experience or concerns about using the ConsensusDOCS?

    Thank you

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    Richard Shugar AIA, LEED AP
    Principal
    2fORM Architecture
    Eugene OR
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  • 2.  RE:ConsensusDOCS Architect Owner Contracts

    Posted 07-25-2011 08:25 AM
    I have never heard of such documents.  However, 40 plus years of experience has lead me to believe projects that start with special restrictions or documents usually spell trouble.  Signer beware.

    This is a purely business decision on your part.  These days many of our decisions are made that way where normally we would have told the prospective client to f-off.   What are the hidden imdenifications, guarantees,
    etc.  Have your insurance company review the document.  Know what you are signing if you decide to sign the doucment.  Make the other party live up to their side of the agreement, usually they can't.  Good luck.
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    Jeffrey Rosenblum FAIA
    Rosenblum Coe Architects, Inc.
    Charleston SC
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  • 3.  RE:ConsensusDOCS Architect Owner Contracts

    Posted 07-25-2011 10:42 AM

    The ConsensusDOCS were developed by the AGC when they decided they wanted a piece of our pie. Luckily, their timing could not have been any worse; launching their product just as the recession was taking hold. But I would expect them to redouble their efforts once this economy turns around.

    The "DOCS" is supposed to mean "Designers, Owners, Contracts, Subcontractors" but they never involved any designers in the development of these documents. So, clearly there is no "consensus". They do not have 100 years of industry acceptance like the AIA's docs; and from what I am led to understand, they are severely slanted toward the contractor.

    I would suggest, if they insist you use them, that you do what every owner seems to do with AIA docs, that is, have your attorney review them and add or delete clauses as appropriate.
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    David Del Vecchio AIA
    Architect
    David Del Vecchio, Architect, LLC
    Cranford NJ
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  • 4.  RE:ConsensusDOCS Architect Owner Contracts

    Posted 07-26-2011 10:06 AM


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    Bonnie Staiger Hon. AIA
    Executive Vice President
    AIA North Dakota
    Bismarck ND
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    ConsensusDOCS are the trade name for the document products offered by AGC. The AIA fought them at various levels a few years ago but I haven't heard much about the flap in more recent years. If you google "agc consensus documents" you'll find more than you ever want to know about the matter. One interesting link which might show up about 2nd on the google list is a PowerPoint (ppt) created by the American College of Construction Lawyers. (On AGC's website) which supposedly compares the 2 products and, not surprisingly, reinforces the AGC's position that their docs are better than AIA's. (I am unable to include that link here, sorry.)

    Here is another item on the google list that may give additional insight in the Document Wars http://www.seaa.net/newsletter/jan08_forms.pdf

    Bonnie