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  • 1.  Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-01-2011 11:53 AM
    I have had a recent request for CAD files from sub-contractors.  One contractor requested them so they can build a BIM model which will allow them to fabricate most of their work in shop in lieu of at the job site.  The other wants to make sure their systems can be installed without interference with the structure.  I am sure that this has been done before and possibly a waiver form was signed.  Are there any boiler plate waiver forms out there to be used?  I am sure there are many opinions on this subject and would I like to hear them.  My standard answer is no but, I am willing to see what others do and/or how they handle this type of situation.  Thanks in advance.

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    Stephen May
    President
    D.A.R.T. Design, Inc.
    Herrin IL
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  • 2.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-02-2011 10:06 AM
    Take a look at AIA document E202 - 2008 Building Information Protocol Exhibit.

    This covers Level of Develoopment (LOD) in models.  For example, a design model may not be adequate for fabrication.  This distinction needs to be agreed to before models are shared.

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    Brian Smith AIA
    M+W Group
    Chicago IL
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  • 3.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-04-2011 10:18 AM
    Wow, I thought that there would be more replies, (opinions) on this subject.  I would have thought that this problem had arisen before.

    Thanks Mr. Smith for commenting.  Is there a way to get a draft of that document to review, to see if it will fit into my needs.

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    Stephen May
    President
    D.A.R.T. Design, Inc.
    Herrin IL
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  • 4.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-07-2011 01:10 AM
    There are two AIA documents which are probably more relevant:
    C106, Digital Data Licensing Agreement (broad form with standard text saying "you're only using this to design or build this project unless we agree otherwise, and if you receive it and modify it, you will indemnify the sender"), which has an article for "license conditions" where you can make up whatever you want to say.
    E201, Digital Data Protocol Exhibit, which repeats the project-specific text from C106 and gives a place to state just which software editions, which document forms, and who can do what with each piece they get.

    Contractors are lazy.  Well, actually they appreciate it when someone else does work for them which they don't have to pay for (just like architects).  They think our CADD files will help them out.  They think that CADD drawings are really accurate, and their ceiling installer subcontractor, and sprinkler subcontractor, etc. may have quoted them a price based on getting CADD files.  Did the people asking for the CADD files think about the time they might need to spend importing, manipulating, etc. the background drawings they are asking for? Probably not.  Are they likely to pirate our first-class details to use on another job?  Unlikely.

    In the past I can think of 4 approaches to how to deal with this:
    1). "No.  Mr. Contractor, go draw your own backgrounds.  We've given you all the information needed to lay out the walls and that's how you used to do it in hand-drafting days."
    2). "Yes.  We are team players (or we signed a contract with the Owner which says they own our work product, and the Owner told us to give them to you) and what was ours is yours.  Did you want them on a CD or DVD?"
    3). "Yes.  Please send us the request/release form found in Section 01XXXX of the project manual, along with the check for $100 per file to cover our time to copy data out onto the CD or DVD.  We will send them to you as the General Contractor and you can deal with making copies for your subcontractors.  We won't send you new backgrounds if there are changes to rooms, etc. during construction, unless you pay again."
    4). "Yes.  Our Owner-Architect Agreement states that we will make copies for the General Contractor, and we have included compensation for the time we expect to spend (or, will charge per file transmitted) as part of our Owner-Architect Agreement.  You have, of course, given the Owner a lower bid in anticipation of getting these documents ..."

    4a) could be a bid alternate - base bid no backgrounds, alternate with backgrounds provided, and then talk with the Owner about the value.  You would want to think about how this was stated Very Carefully, but if the Owner received a substantial credit back, and didn't have to pay you very much to create the documents, they would probably tell you to make the copies, and pay you to do so.

    The Other Issue lurking in the background on this is the possibility that you might have liability exposure, or that they might not be able to import the files, etc.  Assuming that you do want to give them something that they can at least draw on top of, there are various formats which can be exported, and you should have a statement saying that you don't guarantee perfection in the drawings.

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    Joel Niemi AIA
    Snohomish WA

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  • 5.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-07-2011 09:44 AM


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    Jerry Roller AIA
    Firm Owner/Architect
    JKR Partners
    Philadelphia PA
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    Folks, it's time to get beyond the "how can we keep our own little silos" attitude and get to the point where we are part of the team. Other than a routine acknowledgement that the contractor or subcontractor assumes any liability for the use of the CAD files, we and the project can only benefit for sharing the files. Would we rather have to check the contractor's work as they translate from printed documents to their own CAD, or have them start with the documents that we have developed?  If we worry more about getting the project completed accurately and efficiently and less about specific liability, we will find that we have happier clients, better buildings, and, in fact, fewer lawsuits. As architects, we need to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

    Share those files and move on!




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  • 6.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-07-2011 10:04 AM
    I know that many firms have all kinds of release forms for users of their CAD files; and many charge a fee for this as well.

    We recognize that in this digital age, use of digital media is commonplace and should not be a hindrance.  We remove our titleblock from any file we send to contractors for their use.  We also send the caveat that we do not assure that the file is accurate, and the user must determine its accuracy to conditions in the field.

    This is all done in a spirit of teamwork with the common goal of building something....albeit with each of us being responsible for our own work.

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    Howard Kagan AIA
    Nagle Hartray Danker Kagan Mckay Penney
    Chicago IL
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  • 7.  RE:Providing CAD files to contractors

    Posted 11-07-2011 11:20 AM
    We worked with our insurance company to put together a templated document that we use on every project.  We send the document to the General Contractor and have he and the sub contractor sign and return it prior to issuing the file to them.  By making the General sign it, we are maintaining the chain of command.  We are usually contacted by the sub directly and run the risk of by passing the General.  Basic tenates of the agreement are that the sub / general are responsible for accuracy, completeness and keeping up with changes.  They are also responsible for issues with software incompatibility.

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    Chad Abell AIA
    Abell + Crozier Architects, Inc.
    Lafayette LA
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