Committee on Design

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

I don't want to put words in Roy's mouth, but some of the items on my list of "natural causes": lighting strikes that start masses wildfires, ocean-floor volcanoes, volcanoes in general, solar flares, earthquakes (we're not mining and fracking everywhere), and any number of thunderstorms, blizzards, and hurricanes,  All these things were happening before our planet was "industrialized," models aren't consistent as to causes, and how much of all the afore mentioned natural causes do contribute.

The other question we need to ask is "is the climate something we want to control?"  I can agree with taking care of our planet, planting trees and all that, but going down the road of climate control?  I think the earth is able to make adjustments and corrections on its own to sustain itself, and we cannot and should not control or plan any of it.

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

Yes,  It is a question of percentage of effect on climate change by 'global warming' caused by 'greenhouse gas.'  In that it is the idea that it involves temperature inversion I indeed experienced in the Tennessee Valley during summers from 1968 to 1974 and 1979 to 1988, when every summer the temperature would be over 100 degrees. Here where I have been in Tallahassee Florida for the last 35 years It have never be 100 degrees, nastily hot and outdoor steam bath type hot humidity. 

Now this information is from a physicist friend at the National Magnet Laboratory: once the magnetic North Pole was over what is now Hong Kong. It has recently been reported that it has actually moved west 30 miles physical North Pole within the last few years.

The movement of magma and near surface plates, especially the "Red Ring around the pacific are in constant motion. If the movement of the magnetic North Pole were to get closer to an ocean, in the case the Pacific ocean especially La Nina~ and El Ninyo ( computer can not connect the ~ ).  There is a portion of the exact same stone both in upstate New York and  300 feet above a loch in Scotland. 

At Wetumpka, Alabama,  as recently as in the last ten years or so, an odd place has been studied and found to be the site of the five mile wide "Wetumpka Impact Crater" proving to have been a meteor landing in a shallow see, halfway from the Gulf of Mexico to the Tennessee. it was very unlike the deep crater in Arizona. The surrounding wall is over one hundred feet that forms the oval ring. Burnt stone and soil were investigated to determine this. 

Where are we in regard to an Ice age?  Is one going and when is a new one beginning?  The answer would be fairly slippery and hard to know.

Sea level rise is happening and that can not be denied. Clearly the cause is increased heat, and the cause of that is not yet fully understood.

Just get stupid ill informed politics out of the way and we can then truthfully find out something useful, surely!    

Shall we politicize everything?  I think we definitely should not!    

But I truly believe we must get rid of air pollution, water pollution and pollution of almost everything by plastics. We would best do it not politically but actually.  Educate. research ways  to do this and begin personally responsibly implementing and spreading the word broadcasting. If anything would be politically useful it might be to fund ethical and truthful research. Political pollution is no good either!  

I doubt Vitruvius would like anything we are now doing to continue ruining this planet. 

Enjoy understanding more fully and helping!

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Roy F. Knight, FAIA, NCARB
Practitioner, Architecture and Urban Design Consultant
Knight Associates
Tallahassee, Florida, USA

Original Message:
Sent: 09-16-2024 06:02 PM
From: Jesse Gates
Subject: Symposium. I actually wish I had time. All answers not expected.

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

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Jesse Gates Assoc. AIA
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 09-12-2024 05:20 PM
From: Roy FINKLEA Knight FAIA
Subject: Symposium. I actually wish I had time. All answers not expected.

Eric and Roy, 

The human contributions to climate change are well documented and evidenced in abundance. This much is certain. 

I think you would enjoy this article on the NASA website as it engages in many of the points discussed and offers the conclusions that are accepted globally. I have inserted two graphs I found to be particularly clear regarding the industrial era point, and the "environmental" factors of temperature change points raised respectively. 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

As far as the value of this discussion, I reviewed the COD about page stating the below:

Yes,  It is a question of percentage of effect on climate change by 'global warming' caused by 'greenhouse gas.'  In that it is the idea that it involves temperature inversion I indeed experienced in the Tennessee Valley during summers from 1968 to 1974 and 1979 to 1988, when every summer the temperature would be over 100 degrees. Here where I have been in Tallahassee Florida for the last 35 years It have never be 100 degrees, nastily hot and outdoor steam bath type hot humidity. 

Now this information is from a physicist friend at the National Magnet Laboratory: once the magnetic North Pole was over what is now Hong Kong. It has recently been reported that it has actually moved west 30 miles physical North Pole within the last few years.

The movement of magma and near surface plates, especially the "Red Ring around the pacific are in constant motion. If the movement of the magnetic North Pole were to get closer to an ocean, in the case the Pacific ocean especially La Nina~ and El Ninyo ( computer can not connect the ~ ).  There is a portion of the exact same stone both in upstate New York and  300 feet above a loch in Scotland. 

At Wetumpka, Alabama,  as recently as in the last ten years or so, an odd place has been studied and found to be the site of the five mile wide "Wetumpka Impact Crater" proving to have been a meteor landing in a shallow see, halfway from the Gulf of Mexico to the Tennessee. it was very unlike the deep crater in Arizona. The surrounding wall is over one hundred feet that forms the oval ring. Burnt stone and soil were investigated to determine this. 

Where are we in regard to an Ice age?  Is one going and when is a new one beginning?  The answer would be fairly slippery and hard to know.

Sea level rise is happening and that can not be denied. Clearly the cause is increased heat, and the cause of that is not yet fully understood.

Just get stupid ill informed politics out of the way and we can then truthfully find out something useful, surely!    

Shall we politicize everything?  I think we definitely should not!    

But I truly believe we must get rid of air pollution, water pollution and pollution of almost everything by plastics. We would best do it not politically but actually.  Educate. research ways  to do this and begin personally responsibly implementing and spreading the word broadcasting. If anything would be politically useful it might be to fund ethical and truthful research. Political pollution is no good either!  

I doubt Vitruvius would like anything we are now doing to continue ruining this planet. 

Enjoy understanding more fully and helping!

------------------------------
Roy F. Knight, FAIA, NCARB
Practitioner, Architecture and Urban Design Consultant
Knight Associates
Tallahassee, Florida, USA

Original Message:
Sent: 09-16-2024 06:02 PM
From: Jesse Gates
Subject: Symposium. I actually wish I had time. All answers not expected.

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

I feel a little "unequal distribution of suffering" from your last paragraphs.  I would like to point you to something in the goals:

"• To compare current design and historic precedents
• To learn from the contrast or progression of ideas..."

I believe this is what we are doing - comparing and contrasting a progression of ideas?  Since science is not and should be stagnate, but constantly tested and re-evaluated.  How else do we improve without questioning past results?  To that point...

1) In June 1974, TIME published an article questioning another Ice Age (Another Ice Age? | TIME).  There are several articles in respected journals from 1969 to 1976 questioning global cooling.  What changed in 50 years?  Especially, if the same timeline now shows global warming.  Was the science questioned?  Did testing methods improve or somehow change?  What could happen in the next 50 years?

2) If this climate crisis is so dire, then why aren't the solutions more accessible to everyone?  Why aren't they free?  Energy companies like Solyndra, make a lot of money (through government subsidies) then go bankrupt.  Why, if what they produce is so necessary?  Why is costal property so expensive today if it was supposed to be underwater in 2012?  Why don't architects refuse to build on coastlines?  I don't see too many experts moving to Colorado or the Himalayas to avoid the absence of polar ice caps.  Many of them still live in coastal areas.  Speaking of which, who's funding all this research?  Are they nonpartisan?  (To be clear, politics cannot be part of science for it to be "accurate.")

3) The Bubonic plague was a natural disease that killed 25% to 60% of the global population.  There was nothing, at the time, science could do to stop it.  It still doesn't have a cure, but improvements to sanitation and hygiene have nearly wiped it out in the developed world.  In 1815 (before the Industrial Revolution) Mount Tambora erupted causing crop failure and famine in North America and Europe, and one of Britain's coldest summers on record.  Mount Tambor is in Indonesia - the other side of the planet.  Again, humans could do nothing to control or contain it.  And it if happens again, we still don't have a solution.

I'm not disagreeing with you...to a point.  I believe humans are having a negative effect on the planet/climate, and we can do better based on ever-improving research and re-evaluation.  I am also a Christian and believe that the arrogance of men is thinking nature is in our control and not God's.  You may not believe that, and that's fine.  I'm not here to insult or belittle you or what you believe.  I am simply here to have "valued discourse."

Eric and Roy, 

The human contributions to climate change are well documented and evidenced in abundance. This much is certain. 

I think you would enjoy this article on the NASA website as it engages in many of the points discussed and offers the conclusions that are accepted globally. I have inserted two graphs I found to be particularly clear regarding the industrial era point, and the "environmental" factors of temperature change points raised respectively. 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

As far as the value of this discussion, I reviewed the COD about page stating the below:

Yes,  It is a question of percentage of effect on climate change by 'global warming' caused by 'greenhouse gas.'  In that it is the idea that it involves temperature inversion I indeed experienced in the Tennessee Valley during summers from 1968 to 1974 and 1979 to 1988, when every summer the temperature would be over 100 degrees. Here where I have been in Tallahassee Florida for the last 35 years It have never be 100 degrees, nastily hot and outdoor steam bath type hot humidity. 

Now this information is from a physicist friend at the National Magnet Laboratory: once the magnetic North Pole was over what is now Hong Kong. It has recently been reported that it has actually moved west 30 miles physical North Pole within the last few years.

The movement of magma and near surface plates, especially the "Red Ring around the pacific are in constant motion. If the movement of the magnetic North Pole were to get closer to an ocean, in the case the Pacific ocean especially La Nina~ and El Ninyo ( computer can not connect the ~ ).  There is a portion of the exact same stone both in upstate New York and  300 feet above a loch in Scotland. 

At Wetumpka, Alabama,  as recently as in the last ten years or so, an odd place has been studied and found to be the site of the five mile wide "Wetumpka Impact Crater" proving to have been a meteor landing in a shallow see, halfway from the Gulf of Mexico to the Tennessee. it was very unlike the deep crater in Arizona. The surrounding wall is over one hundred feet that forms the oval ring. Burnt stone and soil were investigated to determine this. 

Where are we in regard to an Ice age?  Is one going and when is a new one beginning?  The answer would be fairly slippery and hard to know.

Sea level rise is happening and that can not be denied. Clearly the cause is increased heat, and the cause of that is not yet fully understood.

Just get stupid ill informed politics out of the way and we can then truthfully find out something useful, surely!    

Shall we politicize everything?  I think we definitely should not!    

But I truly believe we must get rid of air pollution, water pollution and pollution of almost everything by plastics. We would best do it not politically but actually.  Educate. research ways  to do this and begin personally responsibly implementing and spreading the word broadcasting. If anything would be politically useful it might be to fund ethical and truthful research. Political pollution is no good either!  

I doubt Vitruvius would like anything we are now doing to continue ruining this planet. 

Enjoy understanding more fully and helping!

------------------------------
Roy F. Knight, FAIA, NCARB
Practitioner, Architecture and Urban Design Consultant
Knight Associates
Tallahassee, Florida, USA

Original Message:
Sent: 09-16-2024 06:02 PM
From: Jesse Gates
Subject: Symposium. I actually wish I had time. All answers not expected.

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?

I feel a little "unequal distribution of suffering" from your last paragraphs.  I would like to point you to something in the goals:

"• To compare current design and historic precedents
• To learn from the contrast or progression of ideas..."

I believe this is what we are doing - comparing and contrasting a progression of ideas?  Since science is not and should be stagnate, but constantly tested and re-evaluated.  How else do we improve without questioning past results?  To that point...

1) In June 1974, TIME published an article questioning another Ice Age (Another Ice Age? | TIME).  There are several articles in respected journals from 1969 to 1976 questioning global cooling.  What changed in 50 years?  Especially, if the same timeline now shows global warming.  Was the science questioned?  Did testing methods improve or somehow change?  What could happen in the next 50 years?

2) If this climate crisis is so dire, then why aren't the solutions more accessible to everyone?  Why aren't they free?  Energy companies like Solyndra, make a lot of money (through government subsidies) then go bankrupt.  Why, if what they produce is so necessary?  Why is costal property so expensive today if it was supposed to be underwater in 2012?  Why don't architects refuse to build on coastlines?  I don't see too many experts moving to Colorado or the Himalayas to avoid the absence of polar ice caps.  Many of them still live in coastal areas.  Speaking of which, who's funding all this research?  Are they nonpartisan?  (To be clear, politics cannot be part of science for it to be "accurate.")

3) The Bubonic plague was a natural disease that killed 25% to 60% of the global population.  There was nothing, at the time, science could do to stop it.  It still doesn't have a cure, but improvements to sanitation and hygiene have nearly wiped it out in the developed world.  In 1815 (before the Industrial Revolution) Mount Tambora erupted causing crop failure and famine in North America and Europe, and one of Britain's coldest summers on record.  Mount Tambor is in Indonesia - the other side of the planet.  Again, humans could do nothing to control or contain it.  And it if happens again, we still don't have a solution.

I'm not disagreeing with you...to a point.  I believe humans are having a negative effect on the planet/climate, and we can do better based on ever-improving research and re-evaluation.  I am also a Christian and believe that the arrogance of men is thinking nature is in our control and not God's.  You may not believe that, and that's fine.  I'm not here to insult or belittle you or what you believe.  I am simply here to have "valued discourse."

Eric and Roy, 

The human contributions to climate change are well documented and evidenced in abundance. This much is certain. 

I think you would enjoy this article on the NASA website as it engages in many of the points discussed and offers the conclusions that are accepted globally. I have inserted two graphs I found to be particularly clear regarding the industrial era point, and the "environmental" factors of temperature change points raised respectively. 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

Graph from here: link to NASA (non partisan governmental agency) 

As far as the value of this discussion, I reviewed the COD about page stating the below:

Yes,  It is a question of percentage of effect on climate change by 'global warming' caused by 'greenhouse gas.'  In that it is the idea that it involves temperature inversion I indeed experienced in the Tennessee Valley during summers from 1968 to 1974 and 1979 to 1988, when every summer the temperature would be over 100 degrees. Here where I have been in Tallahassee Florida for the last 35 years It have never be 100 degrees, nastily hot and outdoor steam bath type hot humidity. 

Now this information is from a physicist friend at the National Magnet Laboratory: once the magnetic North Pole was over what is now Hong Kong. It has recently been reported that it has actually moved west 30 miles physical North Pole within the last few years.

The movement of magma and near surface plates, especially the "Red Ring around the pacific are in constant motion. If the movement of the magnetic North Pole were to get closer to an ocean, in the case the Pacific ocean especially La Nina~ and El Ninyo ( computer can not connect the ~ ).  There is a portion of the exact same stone both in upstate New York and  300 feet above a loch in Scotland. 

At Wetumpka, Alabama,  as recently as in the last ten years or so, an odd place has been studied and found to be the site of the five mile wide "Wetumpka Impact Crater" proving to have been a meteor landing in a shallow see, halfway from the Gulf of Mexico to the Tennessee. it was very unlike the deep crater in Arizona. The surrounding wall is over one hundred feet that forms the oval ring. Burnt stone and soil were investigated to determine this. 

Where are we in regard to an Ice age?  Is one going and when is a new one beginning?  The answer would be fairly slippery and hard to know.

Sea level rise is happening and that can not be denied. Clearly the cause is increased heat, and the cause of that is not yet fully understood.

Just get stupid ill informed politics out of the way and we can then truthfully find out something useful, surely!    

Shall we politicize everything?  I think we definitely should not!    

But I truly believe we must get rid of air pollution, water pollution and pollution of almost everything by plastics. We would best do it not politically but actually.  Educate. research ways  to do this and begin personally responsibly implementing and spreading the word broadcasting. If anything would be politically useful it might be to fund ethical and truthful research. Political pollution is no good either!  

I doubt Vitruvius would like anything we are now doing to continue ruining this planet. 

Enjoy understanding more fully and helping!

------------------------------
Roy F. Knight, FAIA, NCARB
Practitioner, Architecture and Urban Design Consultant
Knight Associates
Tallahassee, Florida, USA

Original Message:
Sent: 09-16-2024 06:02 PM
From: Jesse Gates
Subject: Symposium. I actually wish I had time. All answers not expected.

Roy,

can you expand on what you mean about "the natural causes that climate change" as opposed to human contributed causes of climate change?