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  • 1.  loft stairs

    Posted 10-15-2012 11:19 AM
    I am designing a 1000sf house. It has a small loft office/guest space, which qualifies as sleeping space. It will have an egress window. It is a loft/mezzanine under the IRC definitions. I was hoping to use an alternating tread stair or a comfortable ladder to access the loft.

    The IRC doesn't seem to allow anything other than a standard stair or a spiral stair for vertical circulation/means of egress. I haven't found any exception for open lofts. With a house this size, a standard code-compliant stair will take away a considerable amount of space, so much as to make the loft impractical. A spiral stair is better but will still dramatically limit furniture arrangements and circulation patterns in the main open living space.

    Am I missing something? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


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    Carol De Tine AIA
    Principal
    Carriage House Studio Architects, LLC
    Portland ME
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  • 2.  RE:loft stairs

    Posted 10-15-2012 11:50 AM
    Hello Carol,

    Here in Maryland, I have a client on a 13k s.f. house (currently under construction) where the client wanted to use alternating tread stairs; one for direct access from the daughters bedroom down to the master suite and one from the master suite directly down to their private home gym.  Personally, I refused the one to the childs bedroom due to the danger of coming down in a sleepy state in the middle of the night after having a bad dream.  However, for the other stair I discussed it directly with the county plans review office having jurisdiction.  They did allow this particular stair since it would only be used by the husband and wife and was not the "primary" stiar between levels.  Additionally, to help protect myself, I formally documented to the homeowner that although the county approved its use, I personally was concerned about the obvious safety issues.

    In your case, since it is just to access a loft, I would still consult with the plans review office and get their sign-off before proceeding.  A ships ladder may be a viable alternative?

    As one final comment, I found that the few companies who make sculptural/ornamental stairs have gone out of business in this economy so the stair ended up being custom designed and built by a local stair fabricator out of wood.  It is a striking conversation peice and I would be willing to share a picture with you (laying on its side) if you want to send me an email with the request.

    Good luck!

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    John Lehman AIA
    Lehman Associates, PC
    Highland MD
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  • 3.  RE:loft stairs

    Posted 10-16-2012 07:59 AM
    Hello Carol,  You raise an interesting issue and I have thought about ladders as well for such situations.  One thing to keep in mind is that if what you design, especially regarding egress and human movement through the habitable finished space, has hazards, that you will likely inherit such risks.  Every Board of Architecture indicates that an architect is to "Protect the Health, Safety & Welfare" of the public. 

    It may seem like an inconsequential thing to indicate a ladder going to part of the main, finished spaces of a house, but you could be opening yourself up to possible liability in the future, should someone fall and injure themselves on such a means of circulation.  I have seen situations where I have labeled some space on my documents as "future bonus room" and not provided any means to get there, because it was not part of the initial project.  I had imagined a future exterior stair to get there.  Then months into the future, someone, perhaps a contractor, may have installed some questionable means to get to that space and finished it.  That is not my liability: I didn't design that or indicate that solution on my documents or in writing.  I would always prefer to have a code-compliant stair and I would always state that, in writing. 

    But exposing yourself to liability to solve a client's immediate desires to not spend what it would take to solve in a code-compliant manner is not something for which you are being paid.  Be careful out there. If your client's family (or future owners) were hurt on your ladder, a smart attorney could haul you into court, open the IRC and ask you, on the witness stand, to show him and the court where it allows ladders to be used in habitable space...not a pleasant scenario.  However, if your client fell down a code-compliant stair you designed, You could pull out the IRC and defend yourself and be acquitted.  Designing to avoid liability may not be something that we think of as we try to solve client problems and help them achieve their goals, both functionally and economically, but if we cross that line, bad things can happen, both to ourselves and our clients, that in the heat of the moment may seem unimportant, until something unfortunate occurs. 

    And relying on a building department to supposedly erase your liability won't work.  Any building department will tell you that they are not responsible for the design nor for the constructed project.  Just because they allow something doesn't mean that our liability as architects goes away.  Building departments have no contract with the owner, the builder or anyone else.  We are all licensed by the State.  That is who will hold us accountable, not the building department.

    This does bring to mind attic fold-down ladders: why are they acceptable practice?  I would think the answer there would be: that is not habitable space: that is a utility function and the owner doesn't even have to go there; licensed tradespeople might mainly use that to perform construction and maintenance duties.  But those are my opinions and others may have found ways to deal with such things... if so, let's hear them.  I wish you all the best.

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    Rand Soellner AIA
    Architect/Owner/Principal
    Home Architects
    Cashiers NC
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  • 4.  RE:loft stairs

    Posted 10-16-2012 09:55 AM
    Thanks, John and Rand. So it is just as I thought - all of those oh-so-cool ladders and alternating tread stairs we and our clients see in Dwell magazine and on Houzz and in AIA award-winning houses are not legal. Phooey.

    I do wonder why a 26" wide spiral stair is considered safe enough but other alternatives aren't. Maybe we need research on other space-saving stair designs for limited residential applications to get the IRC to allow more options in the future.

    Rand, it isn't about money. The house is grandfathered on a very small site. We cannot add any footprint or floor area. There is a small (8' x 12') storage loft over the garage that we can incorporate into the house if we can get to it without destroying the livability of the main space.

    I appreciate the "be careful out there" admonition.

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    Carol De Tine AIA
    Principal
    Carriage House Studio Architects, LLC
    Portland ME
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