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Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

  • 1.  Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 05-30-2012 12:18 PM
    Please see Michael's original post "Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource? " posted in originally in another forum and copied below for discussion coherence.

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    Kathleen Simpson
    Manager, Knowledge Communities
    The American Institute of Architects
    Washington DC
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    I am exploring the potential of establishing a national database of Permit Streamlining best practices. With building and planning review staff cuts of up to 80% in cities large and small, the challenge is to conduct permit reviews that do not compromise protection of public safety, yet are more timely, efficient and transparent.

    Architects are in an excellent position to help their local jurisdiction find and vet streamlining methods that are locally appropriate. The result when successful is a 'win win'. The community, profession and city government all benefit from stimulated economic development, good jobs, and higher performing buildings.

    • Are the jurisdictions you work in engaged in permit streamlining efforts?
    • Would a database of examples of what is being done elsewhere, with pros and cons, contact information etc be useful to you in your community?
    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 2.  Permit Streamlining and Electronic Documents

    Posted 05-29-2012 01:19 PM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Technology in Architectural Practice and Small Project Practitioners .
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    Permit streamlining is a valuable discussion topic.  Additionally, there is the issue of "electronic building permit documents".  We are finding that many local jurisdictions are going down separate non-coordinated paths in their pursuit to permit electronic documents as part of the building permit or planning permit application process.

    Electronic document submissions offer the opportunity for greater efficiency for the permit agencies.  The problem is that no single uniform electronic document format yet exists and many jurisdictions are spending scarce funds to research, create and adopt an electronic documents system.

    We all know how to submit paper documents that are well understood by all of the jurisdictions across the country.  There is not a great deal of difference in the documentation requirements between local jurisdictions.  The differences that do exist are fairly easy to address prior to submittal.  

    Electronic documents may pose a much greater hurdle if jurisdictions do not have a common way to communicate electronically in-house and with the firms that submit their documents in a format that can be reviewed and "electronically red-lined" by the permit agency.

    I believe there are at least two major software providers who currently play a role in the area of electronic document sharing.  But getting local jurisdictions to accept one or both of these platforms seems to be difficult.  Instead, jurisdictions seem to be going their separate ways in their search for the electronic document holy grail.

    Can we not find a few common formats and platforms that easily communicate between platforms?  The answer should be yes.

    Local, State and National professional groups, trade organizations, and public jurisdictions need to quickly find a common way to allow electronic documents to be universally accepted and shared.

    Without a common and limited number of electronic document submission-systems, it is likely that dozens of competing systems will surface and many will try to create a "locked" system that will not "talk" with their competition.  Some platforms will be adopted and used,only to have that platform later disappear from the market.  We have seen this situation happen all too frequently with CAD and other construction industry-related software programs.  

    We can learn from the past and help to avoid those mistakes from infecting the discussion and implementation of a viable electronic-document submission system.   

    If your jurisdiction currently allows electronic document submissions for planning and construction permits, we would like to know some of the details.  The AIA-Oregon Legislative Affairs Committee is currently looking at possible ways to have the issue addressed at the State legislative level.

    Thanks for sharing info related to electronic documents.

    Richard Bryant, AIA

    altavistadesign1@gmail.com

      
          
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    Richard Bryant AIA
    Principal
    Alta Vista Design Architecture & Planning LLC
    Corvallis OR
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  • 3.  RE:Permit Streamlining and Electronic Documents

    Posted 05-30-2012 03:33 PM

    Thanks for your feedback Richard.  Electronic plan review is becoming a mainstream permit streamlining tool - and thus it would be a great time to get a framework established that is a 'win win' with plan preparer (Architect) and plan reviewer (Building department).  As there are presently no national databases for these efforts, there is an opportunity for the AIA to be leading the conversation.  

    As an aside, you may find interesting that the 'bleeding edge' of this move toward electronic plan review is 'automated' plan review that uses a BIM model directly (currently in development).  Fiatech.org is one entity work in this realm.
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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 4.  Electronic Filing

    Posted 05-30-2012 12:10 PM
    Richard Bryant raises an interesting topic and one that AIA needs to get out in front before we lose our voice. Michael Malinowski, Regional Director from California is building a data base of what various municipalities are doing to streamline the filing process. New York City has recently launched the Development Hub (or "The Hub" to us locals) that accepts drawings in pdf format and the drawings are reviuewed via video conference with the architect and the Department examiners. The unique wrinkle with the Hub is that they have assembled representatives of most of the City Agencies that review new or significant alterations to existing projects shaving many weeks from the review cycle. Here is a paste of the official NYC DoB desription:

    The NYC Development Hub was created following the success of the Department's Get

    it Done. Together. pilot program. Launched in May 2010, the pilot program was

    designed to streamline the construction project approval process by bringing city officials

    together after normal business hours to meet with industry members and approve

    projects. As a result, approvals increased by 52% in the first month.

    In October 2011, Mayor Bloomberg, Deputy Mayor Holloway and Commissioner

    LiMandri opened the state-of-the-art NYC Development Hub to integrate the successes

    of the Get It Done. Together. program into the daily operations of the Department. The

    Development Hub allows design professionals to submit plans electronically and work in

    a virtual environment with Department experts and representatives from other City

    agencies to review plans and develop solutions to resolve issues with proposed

    projects. The six other City agencies who are participating at the Development Hub are

    the Fire Department, the Department of Environmental Protection, the Landmarks

    Preservation Commission, the Department of Transportation, the Department of City

    Planning and the Department of Parks and Recreation.

    There is progress in The Big Apple!!


    Tony
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    Anthony Schirripa FAIA
    Chairman
    Mancini Duffy / TSC
    New York NY
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  • 5.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 05-31-2012 07:11 AM
    Hello Anthony, Kathleen and Michael,
    I agree completely with PDF being the standard.  Even AutoCad files can be easily and quickly converted into PDFs using free online utilities like "Cute PDF."  We probably send clients more PDFs for electronic reviews these days than hardcopy plots.  Its a greener way to do business and more trees can live to absorb carbon dioxide.  Thank you for your efforts to create these standard methods.

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    Rand Soellner AIA
    Architect/Owner/Principal
    Rand Soellner Architect
    Cashiers NC
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  • 6.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 06-01-2012 10:11 AM
    As of June 4, Chicago is going all electronic filing using DWF format, which can be generated by either AutoCAD or Revit. I am not looking forward to the chaos that will ensue. At te seminar I went to on Wednesday the city told us architects that they hoped to accomplish pre-screening of applications within 40 days!

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    Frank Heitzman AIA
    Architect
    Heitzman Architects
    Oak Park IL
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  • 7.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 06-05-2012 10:52 PM

    Hi Frank
    Please keep me posted as to how that roll out works in Chicago (positives as well as the negatives).

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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 8.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 06-01-2012 10:12 AM
    When electronic filing or sending PDF files out of the office, vector based PDF or raster PDF?
    There is debate that vector PDF allows others to convert easily to a cad file thus using your intellectual property. However, raster based PDF is not so easy to convert.

    My guess is that vector PDF really is the norm. It is crisper, easier to read at smaller scales and has more capabilities than raster.

    Is this an issue for your office?

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    Ken Gallegos AIA, LEED AP BD+C
    Architect
    Lombard-Conrad Architects, PA
    Boise ID
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  • 9.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 06-01-2012 11:31 AM

    I disagree with .pdf being the format.  The format was not intended for drawings of this size and complexity of a large drawings.
    Project reviewed by the state of Iowa are required to be submitted in .dwf format.  That format is designed for cad size documents - there are multiple programs that allow them to be generated, read and marked up.  They can also be measured.
    The file sizes for .dwf format are smaller.  An example the same 24 by 36 drawing as a .dwf for submittal to the state is 221 KB and as a print quality .pdf is 693 KB.  Yes, you can compress the .pdf format but quickly lose quality.



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    Robert Carlson AIA
    Principal
    Carlson Design Team PC
    Iowa City IA
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  • 10.  RE:Electronic Filing

    Posted 05-31-2012 04:16 PM
    The State of Indiana requires filing projects for plan review by the State, not local review, and has been doing electronic filing for several years.  Each year it has improved.  My last submission, last week was very smooth, application, drawings, project manual, and fee payment (V or MC) only took a few minutes to complete.
    This is your model for submission if you are looking.
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    Robert Collins AIA
    Merrillville IN
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  • 11.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 05-31-2012 08:43 PM

    It is highly doubtful that electronic permitting is becoming mainstream. Mainstream indicates a significant majority. Perhaps it is mainstream in certain local areas, but certainly not in the states where I practice. Heck, some jurisdictions still require wet-stamped drawings.

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    Charles Graham AIA
    Architect
    O'Neal, Inc.
    Greenville SC
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  • 12.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-01-2012 09:03 AM
    I agree with you Charles.  In NJ we are still required to submit drawings with a raised seal.  For small residential projects, our local building department even mandates that we HAND DRAW proposed additions onto a copy of a survey!  When do you think they will adopt electronic filing?

    To Mr Shirripa's point, NYC is very forward thinking, however for most apartment renovations that we design the City requires plans to be submitted with a wet seal.

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    Andrew Fethes AIA
    President
    Andrew Fethes Architects PA
    Oradell NJ
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  • 13.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-01-2012 08:20 PM

    FYI -- I just received email about this today:

    First Phase of New Automated Code Checking Technology Completed
    The Code Council and Fiatech have completed the Proof-of-Concept phase of the AutoCodes Project initiative, which seeks to employ automated code checking technology and Building Information Models (BIM) to help speed up and improve consistency in the building code and approval process. BIMs are complex databases containing detailed design and construction information that can be rendered visually in three dimensions, and checked very quickly.

    http://www.iccsafe.org/newsroom/Pages/05162012-NR-BIM.aspx

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    Karen Kensek
    University of Southern California, School of Architecture
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 14.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-04-2012 08:49 PM

    The list of assumptions failed to include the 800 pound gorilla in the room: The process requires the entire nation to adopt BIM. This will never happen. For a host of firms such software is an enormous financial burden, not to mention the hardware to support it. Just as important, the BIM software, as we know it, is just too burdensome for projects designed by most of the firms in the USA. I know we all dream of the whole world following us in BIM and project delivery, but at some point, reality will step in.

    Then, considering the changes in computer aided software just over the last few years, who is to say that BIM will not become obsolete, even before it is widely used in the world.?
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    Charles Graham AIA
    Architect
    O'Neal, Inc.
    Greenville SC
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  • 15.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-05-2012 10:47 PM
    Hi Charles.  Your comments regarding BIM relate only to the emerging technology of 'automated plan review' - which is in the earliest stages of experimental development.  Real world permit streamlining approaches taking place nationwide are not dependent on the means by which the design documents are prepared.  The range on one of the scale includes such simple things as 'presubmittal appointments', 'inter-department coodination' and 'sit down plan check comment reviews'.  On the other end of the spectrum are 'electronic plan review' and 'self certification' and 'prequalification'.  Many jurisdictions are in need of some of the basics; including some that are pushing agendas on the other end of the scale of complexity (electronic review seems to be spreading like wildfire; including some locations that won't allow something as simple as a sit down meeting to go over plan check remarks.   

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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 16.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-04-2012 12:55 PM
    All:

    Electronic permitting is indeed on the way to mainstream acceptance and it is only natural that 3D or BIM based code check will be the next step.  It remains a very non-standardized and locale specific issue.

    At FITCH we are registered in, and submit to, all 50 states and Canada and we utilize electronic seals daily.  Yes we still have hand signatures in California and embossing in Florida and New Jersey.  We are finding that more and more municipalities are accepting digital signatures and electronic files.  I have successfully submitted and permitted plans in California and Florida that did not have raised (embossed) seals or "wet" signatures.  I have been using electronic submittals in the City of Scottsdale for years with great success.  The submittal is standardized on .DWF for submittal, comment and re-submittal.  .DWF is far superior to .PDF for CAD files and we used .DWF for all of our in-house quality control and records.  The City of Scottsdale issues the permit set in .PDF for distribution and archival, simply because the general public is not familiar with .DWF.  Chicago is on the way to digital, City of Phoenix will have a program in a year and many other cities are moving that direction.  I believe Denver has a digital program as well.

    I have been hoping to compile a list of municipalities accepting digital submittals so I welcome any information.  It remains challenging because each municipality has there own requirements, system and process.

    Simply stated you will see three trends moving across the country, 1.) electronic filing/plans, 2.) self-certification or self plan check, 3.) BIM or automatic code analysis from 3D data sets (very cool tommorrowland type stuff.)

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    Kevin Evernham AIA
    Director of Architecture
    AAD:FITCH, Inc.  FITCH
    Scottsdale AZ
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  • 17.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-05-2012 07:58 PM
    Evernham, where did you get your crystal ball?

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    Charles Graham AIA
    Architect
    O'Neal, Inc.
    Greenville SC
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  • 18.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-06-2012 11:43 AM
    My crystal ball is experience.  300 permit submittals across the country, per year, exposes us to all kinds of requirements from each jurisdiction and we seek to streamline our efforts whenever possible.  As you would expect the technical capabilities of each jurisdiction varies greatly and your point is valid that the entire plan review process moving to automated BIM is not feasible, however I would expect very complex projects in metro areas to be fully BIM and BIM analyzed in the near future.  The 3D data will exist and it will be utilized by plan review to expedite and resolve issues, much like the construction team.  

    You might even expect municipalities to move to an IDP role.  I have had many projects reviewed by private architecture and engineering firms (3rd Party).  Properly utilized, digital submittals and plan reviews improves efficiency and can save local governments money.  Clients will pay to get projects completed sooner and some cities offer a shorter review cycle on digital submittals.

    Confusion and hesitation of adopting new methods abounds.   Just this morning I received a request from a city for digital record prints, but a separate letter stating that I did officially seal the digital prints.  A bit redundant but that is how they want to handle the legal side of the digital documents and record keeping.

    There are digital submittal programs in place, many under development, and emerging BIM capabilities, with regard to plan review.  While I favor and wax on about digital submittals, our office kills more trees than most by printing and pushing paper all over.  Anything we can do to move to digital reduces printing, sorting, packing, shipping, (I think we bought a UPS plane by now) re-shipping for revision, etc., which is why I am interested in a national standard and database, and all the input in this forum.


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    Kevin Evernham AIA
    Director of Architecture
    AAD:FITCH, Inc.  FITCH
    Scottsdale AZ
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  • 19.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-05-2012 10:41 PM

    Thanks Kevin for the update of what you are seeing nation wide.  

    One reason that you are finding the wide variability in how these streamlining methods are being developed may be the lack of a platform for sharing the information; that lack of a platform also means that architect voices are small, individual, and usually after the fact.  By establishing a national directory of permit streamlining, I think there may be greater consistency; and also a chance to vet new methods and the pros and cons of various approaches from the perspective not just of the plan reviewer but also of the licensed professionals responsible for the plan preparation. 

    What are your thoughts about establishing a platform or database of 'best practices', and having the AIA in a leadership role in this arena?
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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 20.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-06-2012 11:55 AM
    My thoughts on a platform or best practices and having the AIA in a leadership role.

    Absolutely!  The AIA is often a bit slow to lead and I think it has a lot to do with how we have to hold the processes together.  With regard to permitting we balance the client's needs and schedule, with the design, the technical and manage the permit process through construction.

    Simply stated the permit process is a roadblock and we are the navigators that the industry relies on for a successful project.  There is a tendency to despise more regulations and restrictions but to covet them privately because it is a guarantee that our skills and experience remain highly billable.

    A National solution to address the issue should look like this:

    1. An AIA (open to public) database that lists, locates and describes digital submittal processes at the State, City, Town, County levels.
    2. A group of model digital submittal programs should be featured for other municipalities to adopt.  Industry organizations, government organizations and vendors would get involved in this program.  Cities have established budgets and employees and they need a plug-and-play solution.
    3. An organized effort by AIA toward research and pilot programs of new review methods and software.

    (this is just a dump of ideas over morning coffee -  feel free to offer insight)

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    Kevin Evernham AIA
    Director of Architecture
    AAD:FITCH, Inc.  FITCH
    Scottsdale AZ
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  • 21.  RE:Permit Streamlining National Database: is there a need for this resource?

    Posted 06-07-2012 02:30 PM

    Great suggestions Kevin.  Please forward any additional thoughts that percolate with future morning coffee! 

    I hope to help the AIA establish a key presence in the area of permit processes.  As you note, this is a key part of the turf of every practicing architect whether they are big or small, local or national.

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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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