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  • 1.  Architects and Designers

    Posted 03-24-2014 07:09 PM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Repositioning the Architect and Committee on Design .
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    There's been some handwringing about the software industry's purloining of our title. Though I don't share the concern, I do think it reveals issues of substance. There is a difference between design and architecture. It's always been interesting to me that architecture is the only term that seems to include design within itself. Industrial Designers, Interior Designers, Graphic Designers, Furniture Designers, and so on. Clearly, the guys from Silicon Valley are designers; Software Designers, ok. But architects? What is it that makes an architect different from a designer? (Ignoring for now the pre-licensure insecurities that most of us experience.) There are two ways to answer the question. Is it just about the objects being designed and we could just as well be called Architectural Designers like all the rest; or; are there are characteristics of being an architect that go beyond design. I think the second is the case. We would be well to focus on that as we proceed with "repositioning". This is not the place to thoroughly air this issue, but I would start by suggesting that every other kind of designer recognizes a clear boundary between design and production or fabrication. Successful architecture does not arise from a process of design where the architect goes away or loses authority as soon as the drawings are completed. By the way, I do not see how any intelligent case can be made for calling software designers architects, but, alas, language, like everything else, continues to change, whether we like it or not. ------------------------------------------- Mike Mense FAIA Owner mmenseArchitects Anchorage AK -------------------------------------------


  • 2.  RE:Architects and Designers

    Posted 03-25-2014 05:45 PM
    Mike - the issue with the title Architect really comes down to Health, Safety and Welfare of the occupants using our buildings.  The software industry and their use of the title Systems Architect is so over used.   This title has also caused 1,000's of registered architects lost time while looking for new jobs over the last 6 or 7 years.  Our title is written into state law for the very reason I have mentioned.  Thanks for  your post and I have thought about this topic several times over the last several years.  Time to take our title back then we can get to the  fight for getting our industry back from general contractors.  
     
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    Glen Buckner AIA
    Architectural Consultant
    ALLEGION, PLC
    Louisville KY
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  • 3.  RE:Architects and Designers

    Posted 03-25-2014 06:50 PM
    So interesting to see this post only shortly after reading a couple articles. (below) While I also do not want to get into the use of the term "Architect" discussion, it has brought several accidental cross discipline articles to my notice.  If nothing else, it is a fun skim, settling closer on the distinctions between what is Architecture vs. Design.   

    I believe the software guys have made the same or a similar distinction.  Architecture is something that is attached to a continuum outside of a specific project and its requirements, connecting it to culture, environment and a countless set of values, whereas a design may be architecture or it may not, representing a particular solution.  In this sense I hope some of the connections I think the re-positioning is trying to make (How we involve ourselves with the continuum outside?) will not turn into the centrally driven policy making of the past. However, It has not been made clear to me how the consolidation of tiers takes us down that path. 

    Links below - 

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480017.aspx


    http://weblog.tetradian.com/2009/10/09/architecture-versus-design/


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    Michael C. Johnson, AIA
    Principal
    Shah Architecture
    Savannah GA
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  • 4.  RE:Architects and Designers

    Posted 03-26-2014 09:30 AM
    Mike notes below that

    "It's always been interesting to me that architecture is the only term that seems to include design within itself."

    I can't speak to what the laws are in Alaska, but in Illinois there are titles other than architect that include design without being labelled as a Designer. From the ILCS:

    ""Illinois licensed design professional" means a person who holds an active license as an architect under this Act, as a structural engineer under the Structural Engineering Practice Act of 1989, or as a professional engineer under the Professional Engineering Practice Act..."

    In other words, you aren't licensed to do design - in areas impacting the public's health, safety, and welfare - if you aren't one of those. Which is why, for example, a PE or architect has to sign off on roadway signage developed by a graphic designer. Of course this all-in with engineers in architecture acts has as much to do with legacy issues as anything else. Engineers got there first back in the day and wouldn't allow passage of an architectural license act unless they were also allowed to continue doing everything that up until then the laws had allowed them to do.

    This phenomenon, it should be noted, has interesting repercussions for the discussion of whether interior designers should be licensed, an argument currently raging in several states around the country (a situation monitored closely, regularly, and collaboratively by the AIA's State Government Network, it should be noted - your AIA fees at work). Absent such grandfathering, the creation of an interior design practice act would mean that architects who currently do or would seek to do interiors-only projects would have to either a) hire a licensed interior designer, or b) test for, pay for, and maintain continuing ed for an entire second license - a/k/a pay a new tax - in order to continue doing what they are currently legally authorized to do.

    But even then there's the whole discussion of whether the education and training programs (alleged to be in place already) for a licensed interior designer practice act are or could ever be sufficient to take into account the whole spectrum of relevant issues beyond just the interior, in order to adequately protect the public's health, safety, and welfare, in the holistic way and to the same extent that currently only licensed architects are educated and trained to take into account...

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    Eric Davis AIA
    President
    Public Design Architects LLC
    Oak Park IL
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  • 5.  RE:Architects and Designers

    Posted 03-28-2014 03:07 PM
    I would like to offer my form letter to those of you who, like me, have listed "project manager" as well as "Architect" as your job title and consequently have been inundated with information technology junk e-mail. I respond to these with the following:

    "(Place name of offending signatory here)

     

    I am an Architect!

     

    A real architect with a Bachelor of Architecture degree, i.e. a 5 year degree(or your professional degree), from the (your alma mater), an NCARB Certificate(if applicable) and active state Licenses in (number of jurisdictions licensed in) states.

    I had to practice in another architect's office for a minimum of three years and fill out a massive amount of paperwork just to gain the privilege of taking a seven part test over the span of a week that, if I passed, would demonstrate my competence to use the title "Architect"!

     

    In the course of practicing Architecture, I also manage projects of a design and construction nature, therefore earning the right to call myself a Project Manager.

     

    Now because I listed the above credentials on some Web site registration form I now get thousands of e-mails from presumptuous and ill-informed sales organizations, like yours, that think I will be buying computer software and hardware for LANs and all manner of digital installations. 

     

    The I.T. world has decided to appropriate the term "architect" to apply to the group of technogeeks that create much of the crap that has been foisted on our world as more valuable than actual creation of things of permanence and substance. This is probably a move to give the electronic elves respectability and status by attempting to associate with a REAL profession.

     

    As you can probably tell by now a meeting would be a waste of time.

     

    Please remove me from whatever faulty database you obtained my name from."

    Alter as you see fit for your circumstance!


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    Todd Corbet AIA
    Virginia Beach VA
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