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Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

  • 1.  Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-24-2012 11:25 AM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Housing Knowledge Community and Custom Residential Architects Network .
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    Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general).
    I used to think that ALL of us licensed architects who mainly practice residential architecture would agree with that statement.  I took it for granted.  Otherwise: what the heck are we doing?  I have had some recent communications with other primarily residential architects that lead me to believe that we are not united in this belief.  I repeat: if you do not believe, in general, that having an architect design a home adds value to that home, then why are you here in this forum?  Why are you yourself practicing residential architecture?  Don't you believe that YOU add value to your clients' residential projects?  Or are some of us just so focused on what We are doing that we do not have sufficient room in our minds and hearts to believe that Other architects add value to their clients' projects? 

    This may sound like a little thing.  It is not.  If we, as supposedly the leaders of American Residential Architecture today (yeah, that's what we are supposed to be), cannot agree that nearly all of us add value to our clients' projects, then how are we ever going to convince new potential clients to hire us to design something for them? And if we cannot unite to firmly say: LICENSED ARCHITECTS ADD VALUE TO RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, how do we expect to survive?  If we cannot put forth the simple message that what we ALL do, collectively matters and improves people's lives in so many wonderful ways, we deserve to have other, less educated, unlicensed, less skilled, less experienced people with no licenses take the food from our tables and pass us by.

    I am not talking about the occasional freakshow!  I am talking about the majority of us and what we do, day in and day out, making clients happy.  I am simply trying to see if we, as concerned, practicing licensed residential architects can even agree on such a simple thing.

    Do we really want to behave like the US Congress and Senate?  Bickering amongst ourselves, full of "sound and fury, but signifying nothing"? And not being able to agree on anything, even the most simple of premises, that I had always taken for granted: that what we do matters?  That we do improves people's lives in what we design?  That, dammit all, we do add value

    Now then: let's see what we all have to say.  Let's see the varying opinions.  I hope to be amazed that we can agree on this one fundamental thing.  I have enough room in my heart to let the miracle happen, but I am also experienced enough to not hold my breath.  Let the games begin...

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    Rand Soellner AIA
    Architect/Owner/Principal
    Rand Soellner Architect
    Cashiers NC
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 2.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-27-2012 09:20 AM
    Rand,
    You and I have had a disagreement about this subject, not because I doubt the fact that Architects add value, but because value is not as absolutist as you portray it to be. We can't just say ALL Architects should be worth 20% more. We are not all equally talented in design or business. Some of the most talented designers among us may not recognize an appropriate solution in terms of dollars and cents and often "over-build" or design projects that cost more to build than the demographic in that area can afford. This doesn't create extra value for the buyer. Often these "nicer" houses sell for less than construction cost because no one is willing to pay more than the appraised value. You're trying to over simplify a very complicated concept.

    Think about this...if there was a simple check box on the appraisal form that said ANY licensed Architect automatically adds 20% value to the project, then wouldn't you think builders are going to seek out the lousiest Architects to rubber stamp their buildings for the cheapest price? This would hurt those who are talented and more expensive because everyone is the same when it comes to the check box. This would encourage a bunch of lousy designers to get licensed, just to check boxes for builders. It would create a race to the bottom, just like appraisals do when everyone gets averaged against recent sales.

    Aside from the fact that you'll never convince anyone outside the field of Architecture to believe that we should just give automatic value to ANY Architect, we want this to be based on competition. This is what allows the cream to rise to the top. The more talented Architect whose work resonates with the market place should be adding more value than some hack that barely passed the ARE. I know you think it simplifies things to make a check box that makes us all generic, but this simplicity isn't enough when it flies in the face with how value works. Again, even a product with a known value, like a $30K Nana Wall system, doesn't automatically give a house $30K in value, so why should we think the Lenders, Appraisal Boards, and over a dozen Gov Agencies are going to agree to give us a flat value add? Each property is different and so is the value of each Architectural solution. A check box doesn't fix the problem with the valuation of houses.

    We're only designing maybe 3-5% of all houses being built. Why would the powers that be have any concern about us adding value at a time when they're still trying to figure out how to squeeze more value out of the market place? The Housing Crisis had one simple root cause. The price of houses as much as doubled in a 6-8 year period while wages stayed the same. All the other stuff like mortgage backed securities, was a reaction to the average person being priced out of a basic necessity like shelter. Averaging a community of competitors who build houses punishes the 3-5% of us designing nicer houses and also rewards the +80% of homes built by those using the Walmart model of over saturating the market place with the cheapest houses. Both problems go hand in hand and they could have the same solution. Because a single high sale can be used as a comp by 4-5 builders building 10 houses at a time, that single sale now disproportionately adds value to 40-50 projects who all have a sales history that matches their business model of trying to undercut their competitor's price by building more of the cheapest copies. According to land valuation philosophy, when the price of improvements (houses) goes up, so does the value of the land in that area. The most widely used comparison approach to value allows these 40-50 houses to gain a combined value for the land and improvements because a single property sells at the top price and it's fair game as a comp on everyone's appraisal. The land by itself in the area should gain a small amount value, but one competitor's house by itself shouldn't gain value because their more successful competitor's product sold for a higher price at market. This is why I advocate the concept of providing a separate value for the land and the improvements, so consumers, designers, agents, lenders, and builders all understand exactly what is valuable and we can track what is gaining value. The Appraiser's less used Cost Approach already does this and the Tax Assessor uses this format as well. I believe a hybrid system of the Cost and Comparison Approach could be used on new houses that would more accurately gauge competitive behavior of companies providing competing products. Combining the price of two very different items like land and houses makes the valuation confusing and allows fraud and errors to go unchecked.

    The Appraisal system is broken and contradicts itself in terms of economic philosophy. The root cause of the Housing Crisis can be found in the fundamental philosophy behind valuing new spec houses. If we fix the problem of over valuing the majority of houses that happen to sell for the least, we also fix our problem of a few nicer houses being undervalued. The approach to valuation of older houses shouldn't be the same as the approach to newer houses being sold as products by competing companies. New cars are valued differently than used cars. Because the appraisal system essentially averages the sales in the area to determine value, everyone ends up in the middle. The lowest seller gets pulled up and the higher gets pulled down. As described above, this gives disproportionate amounts of value to the majority of houses who are playing the game of selling the lowest priced house. It creates a race to the bottom. This is no different than giving every Architect the same value bump on all appraisals. It will create a race to the bottom and degrade our profession. The Architect who designs the most valuable houses to the market place in their area, should be rewarded and the one who rubber stamps a lousy design should be punished by the market place. It shouldn't be up to the check box, the value of an Architect should be up to the buyers. Personally, I find this attitude of automatic value to be a sign of fear of putting our work to the test. A balance of good design and a high sale to construction cost ratio is the challenge when it comes to the value of design. We often over look the latter because we're most interested in good design at any cost and we often mistake monetary value with sentimental value.

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    Eric Rawlings AIA
    Owner
    Rawlings Design, Inc.
    Decatur GA
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 3.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-28-2012 08:18 AM
    Ah.  Now I am beginning to see what each of us tends to believe:
    That EACH of us, and perhaps ONLY us, does indeed add value to each of OUR projects, but the work of other architects is highly questionable.  Okay.  This introspectiveness is what is dividing our profession then.
    We each appear to be the arbiter of good taste and we alone will decide that for ourselves and our work is better than anyone else's and only we are purveyor of goodness, right, truth and justice for the American marketplace.

    God help us all.

    I had started this thread: Architects Add Value to Home Design, (in general)
    hoping against hope that this simple and self-evident fact would be something upon which we could agree.
    It appears we cannot.  Good Lord.

    Did anyone see the "(in general)"?  and notice that there are always exceptions to the rule?  I was hoping and praying that we, as leaders in the profession, could at least agree on the simplest of rationales for what we value.
    I guess we can't even do that.  I had hoped that if we could do this, that this could be a piece of bedrock on which we could stand and build from this simple, positive agreement.

    This was an experiment of sorts.  I once knew someone who was the most contrary person.  So, on a beautiful, cloudless day, I thought of a way to perhaps establish a means of starting to agree on something: I said to him: "Good morning!  Nice day today, huh?"  And I wondered how he would respond.  By saying something like: "Yeah..." at the very least?  Nope.  True to the contrariness, his comment was: "Well, I think its going to rain."

    And so goes the way of the AIA and its licensed residential architects.  We have proven ourselves to be a group of people who only value what we ourselves do.  We cannot find it within ourselves to even agree with a simple obvious statement like: "Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)."  And if we cannot at least find it within our hearts, minds and souls to agree on the most basic concepts of what I had hoped would be self-evident, then I fear we may be doomed in whatever we set out to accomplish, because we are proving to ourselves that we cannot agree on anything (like the US Congress and Senate, congratulations, folks), including the most basic of reasons for our very existence. 

    So: let's all enjoy our own, restricted viewpoints of what we see in the mirror; hallelujah & whoopee. 

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    Rand Soellner AIA
    Architect/Owner/Principal
    Rand Soellner Architect
    Cashiers NC
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 4.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-29-2012 07:36 AM
    Respectively, both Rand's and Eric's soliloquies ignore the fact that Value has many definitions.  You're not talking about the same thing.  Unless "value" is defined (specifically) you will always disagree. 
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    Frank Karpowicz AIA
    Frank Karpowicz Architects, Inc.
    Wakefield RI
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 5.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-30-2012 10:56 AM
    While it is important that an architect-designed house should have a higher resale value, what is much more important is the value our clients perceive in our services. We do not get to decide if what we do is valuable, our clients do. So when you consider the problem of so few residences being designed by architects, remember that our services have to be seen as worth the price and not whether the house is worth the price. And that applies even when our client is a builder or developer.

    Architects need to make themselves critical to home design and homebuilding. The end product will then take care of itself.

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    William Hirsch AIA
    ARCHITECT
    William J Hirsch, Jr Inc
    West End NC
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 6.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-30-2012 12:36 PM
    I think it may be rhetorical to specify that I'm talking in terms of monetary value only. The banks don't base loans on Sentimental Appraisals. Until our projects can be valued fairly in a monetary sense, our contribution to the housing industry will not likely be valued based on economics.

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    Eric Rawlings AIA
    Owner
    Rawlings Design, Inc.
    Decatur GA
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 7.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-29-2012 08:34 AM
    Well, Rand, It shows that we do love to argue a point.

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    Thad Broom AIA
    Architect
    Thad A. Broom AIA, P.C.
    Virginia Beach VA
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 8.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-30-2012 09:05 AM
    Yeah, Thad, I guess you are right.  Do you remember the old Monty Python bit:

    Hello, I see that you came here for an argument!

    No, I didn't.

    Yes, you did!

    Well, I certainly wouldn't have come here to discuss such a ridiculous thing with someone like you.

    Yes, you would!

    What do you mean by that?

    Because you are arguing with me about having an argument!

    And so it goes...

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    Rand Soellner AIA
    Architect/Owner/Principal
    Home Architects
    Cashiers NC
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 9.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-29-2012 12:31 PM
    Rand,

    In Minnesota architectural practice is defined by the exclusion of what doesn't need to be prepared by an architect.  The design of houses, duplexes and three-plexes and farm buildings are within the exception to the rule and therefore outside of the mandated practice of architecture..  The argument that Architects add value may be true, it sounds nice but we also add expense.   The sales job has always been explaining how our value exceeds what is perceived as an unnecessary expense.   Maybe you should focus on how to make our value clear.  

    I'm puzzled by your use of the term "Licensed Residential Architect."   At least in Minnesota, if you call yourself an architect you are licensed.  We need to strengthen our ownership of "Architect" least people think we only plan things like the holocaust, football games and political policy.  

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    Peter Carlsen AIA
    Carlsen & Frank Architects
    Saint Paul MN
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 10.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-28-2012 04:10 PM
    There are many ways to slice the design/cost/value loaf. I can design a house for <$5K or for >$100K. After 15yrs in practice and the experience of doing my own home, I've come to prefer projects aimed at the lower end of the spectrum. They are quicker, simpler, less costly to design, build & mortgage, and hold their value better against market fluctuations. The largest portion of the housing market wants a decent home that's right-sized, comfortable, and not too costly to operate and maintain. The market correction has helped to re-focus these criteria. I'm not going to turn away a client who wants to invest in the art of architecture, but I don't want to design exclusively for them either. I do want the market to recognize the value of my services throughout the spectrum.

    If anything is to be done for single family home market, I agree with Eric that real estate valuations are the best tangible target. The AIA could advocate for separating land value from the house, and providing a comprehensive valuation based on 50 criteria instead of 5. The appraisers might in fact be on our side- they see & know a lot more than what shows up on their valuation sheet. But I think we're going to get a fight from the spec home builders. 

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    Christopher Vlcek AIA
    Architect
    Littlewolf Architecture
    Great Barrington MA
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 11.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-27-2012 12:03 PM


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    Fred Flynn AIA
    Architect
    Fred Flynn Architect
    Santa Rosa CA
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    You'll have to excuse my lack of background here as to the discussions which I have not kept up with until I read this article,  but that hasn't stopped me before so let me just jump in the middle anyway.

    First off,  your header Architects Add Value to Home Design caught my eye and I totally agree with you that this is why we exist, as a profession and as a species as well I would hope.  

    At the same time I believe that some are good at what they do while others struggle.  

    I say this because of time served on our local City Design Review Boards.  I was quite often shocked at what we were presented with which tends to make me skeptical about your thesis statement. Often I just wanted to get in there and help Architect's who only came up with basic solutions which didn't address issues which 'we' should all be concerned about, context, fabric, function, etc. I could only offer examples of other well designed solutions I have found in books and articles that I have collected over the years to point out issues they may have, overlooked but often this approach fell on deft ears.   

    Sure we should all add value to Home Design otherwise we would be just like the Wall Street Brokers who forgot their principles,  but it may be that value depends on ones understanding of what one believes constitutes 'good design'.  Do we all come from the same fundamental starting point.  Is one Architect the same as another.  My experience tells me that all things are not necessarily equal in all respects and some Architects actually do have more insight as to adding value to our profession.

    That being said,  I still believe you have a very valid point but is that how the general public sees it.  

    Is a License alone indicative of added value in the eyes of the general public or is the decision rather an individual choice based on other criteria.  My wife is a nurse and she sure knows which Doctors know their trade better than others.  On the same note,  I would have trouble making the general statement that 'all' Doctors are the same just as I do with your statement that 'Architects', in general, have the same values.

    Tough to brand any one profession as having the same viewpoint ( Politics !!! ) so it actually does lead one to believe that we may not be united in one belief.

    Having not read previous discussions leading up to this article I hope my comments are in keeping,  if not, disregard these thoughts.





    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 12.  RE:Architects Add Value to Home Design (in general)

    Posted 08-27-2012 12:08 PM

    Architects do add value to a home, if designed for the inhabitant. It's customized for them and that's added value to their life in that house. But when it's time for them to move on, it seems that value is lost. It's just another whatever square listing in whatever neighborhood worth about the same as similar sized houses in the neighborhood. If it's a work of art that's been in magazines ......... most people don't like that stuff and want a 2 times scale plastic snap-together colonial replica so we may be even losing  monetary value in re-sale.

    I wish this worked the same with cars. I am currently looking for a used car, if auto sales worked the same way I would be looking at used Porsches instead of used Toyotas. Both are cars with 4 wheels, an engine, heaters etc.  If they are the same year and have about the same mileage on them they should cost about the same right? But they don't. Would the guy that bought the Porsche new have paid more for it if he knew he was going to sell it for the same amount as a Toyota when he was done with it?  He would probably would have just bought the Toyota and wised he was driving a Porsche, just like I do when I am driving my current Toyota.

    So what is the auto industry, or just about every other industry doing to keep the perception of value for their products going that that architecture industry is not?

    Marketing, developing and capitalizing on brand history, hype, spinning public perception the way they want it and staying with cars, Porsches can go faster, handle better, have racing history to back those up and for most people look better than a Toyota so they must be better? Right? Not if you need to take a soccer team somewhere but they still are worth more money because they have all the above.  Anyway....one additional thing I can think of, most people don't think they can design and build their own car (but I know a guy that has tried). Just about everybody thinks they can design their own house and they think they can do it better than anyone else because it's their house for them. Who would know better? Architects? Just because we are telling them we can do it better (I think this was the original point of this post?) why would they believe us? So what do they need us for? To "draft" and stamp their design to make it legal? That's not worth anything; we just calculate a few beams and drafted what they told us too draw, they did all the work. This only applies to those who have a house built or renovated. Most people just buy something off the bloated existing inventory. If they need something changed or added too they call a contractor first who will gladly provide free design services.

    We need to do something about this (AIA, can you help please?) When I started being an architect was a respected profession even if people didn't know what we really do.  They still don't know what we do but now they don't care because they don't think they need us. Now when people hear I am an architect, one guy asked "why"? as if I was a basket weaver.

    Sorry about the dis-organized rant here, having a bad day.....this is where I would normally say getting it off my chest made me feel better.... But it didn't.  I feel worse and if you read this far you probably feel worse too, sorry again. I am thinking about giving up and driving a truck for a living, I'll probably make more money doing that. Also sorry I don't have time to proof read this before sending but I have to get back to a footing detail for a car dealer renovation, it's not even a Porsche dealer. Rats!

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    Thomas Streicher AIA
    Thomas Streicher, Architect
    Monroe NY
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13