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Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

  • 1.  Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-17-2012 02:56 PM
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    Is anyone aware of a definition of 'bedroom' in federal or some national based regulation?  I'm trying to determine if a loft sleeping mezzanine can be counted as a 'bedroom' in an publicly subsidized affordable housing project. 

    I know there are many definitions of bedroom related to septic system demand (varies a lot by jurisdiction), and some definitions along similar lines which reference closets and egress windows in local zoning ordinances and ccr's.  Egress windows and closets are not required in the building code for 'sleeping mezzanines'. The building code has minimum dimensions for a bedroom ... but it does not define the term as requiring a 'door' to distinguish it from a 'studio unit' as far as I can tell. 

    Thanks for any leads.

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    Michael Malinowski AIA
    AIA Director - California Region
    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 2.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 07:39 AM
    We just went through this in Margate, NJ.  In this case if there is no closet and no door it's not a bedroom. We've run into this many times over the years and the answer seems to be up to the local official, as it varys from town to town.  We've asked the DCA (the agency that oversees codes in NJ), and ICC and there is no formal definition.
    No door and no closet seems to be the most common way, but in one case we had to reduce a window so it did not meet egress(!)
    Hope this helps...

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    Olivieri, Shousky & Kiss, P.A
    Pennington NJ
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  • 3.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 11:31 AM
    Paul and everyone else,

    It seems to me that it is more about how the space is going to be used then whether it has a door or not.

    A few years ago NJ DCA issued a FTO (Formal Technical Opinion) regarding the use of museums and science centers and other spaces not originally intended to be used as bedrooms for use by groups like the Boy Scouts for overnight "camp outs". They decided that such buildings could be used for no more than 8 days per year for "sleep over" trips unless the spaces meets all of the requirements of spaces designed for sleeping, i.e. egress windows, smoke detectors, etc.

    Our Troop was told we couldn't spread sleeping bags out on the dining hall floor of our own local council's camp for a winter camp-out because it had been used too many times already that year. So, it seems that they decided that the bedroom use was an acceptable incidental use as long as it was only used that way occasionally.

    I wonder if my local code official would cite me a violation if he knew I often take power naps at my desk in the  afternoon. Clearly Code Officials often overstep their authority by interpreting the code instead of merely enforcing it. If there's a question about interpretation, you should speak to DCA.

    You could design a room as attic storage without doors, egress windows, smoke detectors, etc. and it would be perfectly fine, until you use it as a room to sleep in. So it is not about the configuration of the room so much as it is about how you use the room. But once you do use a room not designed as a bedroom to sleep in, you are in violation of your certificate of occupancy. Unenforceable in reality, but a violation nonetheless.

    Things are rarely a problem, until they become a problem. I wrote an expert report involving a wrongful death lawsuit because a home owner rented out an illegal basement apartment that required a key to exit (dead-bolted door) and a man died of smoke inhalation when a fire he lit from an unattended cigarette got out of control. There were no windows that qualified as emergency escape and no smoke detectors. The bulkhead door to the exterior and an interior door that led to the first floor apartment were both dead-bolted and the occupant was too drunk to find a key. The space would have been perfectly acceptable as storage, just not as a bedroom. So maybe the legal definition you are looking for is not in any legislation or regulation but rather could be found in applicable case law. 

    As a practicing architect, not just someone who writes liability reports all day long, I would not opt to go the route of trying to avoid calling a room a bedroom in order to save a few dollars for any client. Of course, owners often do whatever they want once the C. of O. is obtained.

    In any case, it seems ridiculous that they would ask you to remove an emergency escape sized window as if having a smaller window would prevent you from using a space to sleep. I don't see the logic in making a room less safe in order to avoid it looking like a bedroom. Those windows are there to allow fire fighters to more easily get into your house while wearing breathing apparatus, not so you can jump out (although you could if you want to).

    We need to remember that the only thing our license protects is our right to be sued. It's really the only thing that separates us from those without a license; our ability to take on the responsibility for assuring the health, safety and welfare of the occupants of the buildings we design for human habitation.

    How you turn that into a value proposition, rather than just another unnecessary expense for a reluctant owner is your personal business decision. I think I've been pretty successful at that.

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  • 4.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-19-2012 12:13 PM
    I agree with Paul. I am an Architect and a Real Estate Broker in Texas. In Real Estate Industry, the definition of Bed Room is exactly what Paul said. A room must have a closet and a door for privacy, to be defined as a Bed Room. There may be other finer details to this requirements. Some time the Study/Office has similar character, but the door is not designed for privacy. For example, it could be a double door, without locking option, or glass door. I have seen people use them sometime as bed room. That does not mean the Realtors or the Builders can call them a Bed Room.

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    Houston TX
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  • 5.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 07:48 AM
    Good Morning Michael,  That is an interesting question.  And you are right, the local building departments with whom I have dealt define a bedroom as a space that is labeled "Bedroom" by the architect and that typically has a built-in closet of some sort.  And of course, the Bedrooms must have not only an entrance (which doesn't necessarily have to be a door, unless prescribed by a HUD regulation or other funding entity) which really don't have to be a "door" or anything at all, but must also have a secondary means of egress.  This secondary measn of egress, as I am sure you are aware, per IRC (which all States have adopted, subject to their amendments), must have at least 5.0 SF clear openable area if on the main (pr grade level) and 5.7 clear SF if on an upper level.  The secondard means of egress is typically an oversized double hung window (to have the required size of openable area) or a casement window, or a door (and the door would of course have to lead to some sort of balcony or patio, depending on the height and circumstances around it).  Much of what constitutes a "Bedroom" building officials have told me comes down to what the Architect decides to call it on his drawings, other than the conventions listed above.

    I know of no Federal codes governing SFR home design, unless you want to start looking at individual agencies that fund and administer housing programs, and there, you will find their rules and regulations if you want their funds.  And of course, there is the HUD Fair Housing Act, and if you are subject to that, you would do well to review it in detail and make sure that not only your bedrooms bu other aspects of your project adhere to its requirements.  Also, I don't know if you project is multi-family or SFR.  That makes a big difference.

    The IRC (International Residential Code) 2012 edition is your best bet for private work. I checked their rear index and they do Not have a definition for "Bedroom."  They do have a definition for "Room," which is section R304, which indicates, on page 54, that a habitable room shall have a floor area of at least 70 SF and a minimum dimension of 7' horizontally, and be at least 7' in height, subject to exceptions.  I can't imagine many of us making a bedroom this cramped, but that is what the IRC indicates.

    It appears that you likely have a green light on a sleeping loft being a "Bedroom," unless there is some requirement in the funding source's rules and regulations that stipulate some more conventional requirement (such as a lockable door).  You might wish to consider discussing your design intentions with the funding source and ask them if they know of anything that would prohibit your creative and less costly solution that allows the enjoyment of more space.

    Best of luck to you and your project!

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    Rand Soellner Architect
    Cashiers NC
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  • 6.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 08:51 AM

    Michael,

    There are a few locations that define bedroom, not sure if it helps your situation or not.

    http://www.sonoma-county.org/prmd/docs/policies/1-4-1.pdf

    http://nvar.com/index.php/law-ethics/article/what_is_the_legal_definition_of_a_bedroom

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    LaBella Associates, P.C.
    Rochester NY
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  • 7.  Bedroom definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 10:24 AM
    Michael,

    Ran into the same issue on a recent project, local official stated that "it could not be a Bedroom unless there was a bath room on the same level". Other than the exiting requirement, etc.

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    Allers Associates Architects PC
    Fort Dodge IA
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  • 8.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-18-2012 12:18 PM
    If these are one and two family dwellings covered by the ICC IRC then in order to be a habitable space, the sleeping loft must comply with IRC SECTION R305 CEILING HEIGHT. Additional there must be a compliant egress path. This is required by IRC R311.4 Vertical egress which says: Egress from habitable levels including habitable attics and basements not provided with an egress door in accordance with Section R311.2 shall be by a ramp in accordance with Section R311.8 or a stairway in accordance with Section R311.7.

    There may be other requirements for the space to be a bedroom; howrver, if it does not meet the above it is not a bed room.

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    Richard Linderman AIA
    Principal
    The Linderman Group Architects, Inc.
    Media PA
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  • 9.  Definition of a bedroom

    Posted 01-19-2012 10:39 AM


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    Christopher Moomaw AIA
    Christopher S. Moomaw Architect
    Ridgefield CT
    -------------------------------------------Re the definition of a bedroom:  Officials here in southwestern Connecticut have stated to me that the Health Code requires, for purposes of figuring required septic system capacity, that ANY partitioned space with a door on the second floor MUST be considered a bedroom, no matter its size or stated use.  This can then bring in egress requirements, etc.  In greyer areas, usually, if it is a partitioned space and has an in-room or immediately adjacent closet, plus is adjacent or reasonably near a bathroom, it is a bedroom, regardless of floor location or stated use.  This all obviously affects property tax levels as well as septic requirements.  In Connecticut, we do not have county government, so these interpretations are on a city by city, town by town basis.  The above is pretty universal around here, however.

       In nearby New York State (where my experience is more limited), the rule seems to be that, if it is large enough for a bed and a dresser and it has a closet, and in the case of a walk-in closet for example, it has access independently to a hallway, without going through an adjacent room or space, it is considered a bedroom.

    I hope this does more than further un-focus this already blurry situation!

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  • 10.  RE:Definition of a bedroom

    Posted 01-20-2012 08:56 AM
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    Always understood that a sleeping room (room w/ closet) was required to have a min 30" door and a 2nd means of egress (window or door to outside), but all I can find is emergency egress for sleeping rooms for basements.

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  • 11.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-21-2012 07:30 PM

    Thanks all for sharing insight, info and opinion.  

    So far there appears to be no simple answer to the question 'What is a bedroom' - except for specific situations such as those involving septic codes, CCR's, and appraisal or real estate listing standards; and all of these vary significantly with locale).  

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    Applied Architecture, Inc.
    Sacramento CA
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  • 12.  RE:Bedroom: is there a legal definition?

    Posted 01-23-2012 05:48 AM
    I didn't read all the posts pertaining to this so I hope I am not repeating this....NYS Code: The egress is from habitable space so from the bedroom this is required.
    R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue required. Basements with habitable space and every sleeping room shall have at least one operable emergency and rescue opening. Such opening shall open directly into a public street, public alley, yard or court. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, emergency egress and rescue openings shall be required in each sleeping room, but shall not be required in adjoining areas of the basement. Where emergency escape and rescue openings are provided they shall have a sill height of not more than 44 inches (1118 mm) above the floor. Where a door opening having a threshold below the adjacent ground elevation serves as an emergency escape and rescue opening and is provided with a bulkhead enclosure, the bulkhead enclosure shall comply with Section R310.3. The net clear opening dimensions required by this section shall be obtained by the normal operation of the emergency escape and rescue opening from the inside. Emergency escape and rescue openings with a finished sill height below the adjacent ground elevation shall be provided with a window well in accordance with Section R310.2. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

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    Associate AIA
    Amico Drafting & Design
    Code Compliance Manager/SUNY SB
    Miller Place NY
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