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  • 1.  AIA dues

    Posted 04-02-2013 06:05 PM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Housing Knowledge Community and Small Project Practitioners .
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    John Haley AIA
    John Haley, Ltd.
    Highland Park IL
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    I am a sole practitioner and have been an AIA member since 1976 (with the exception of a few years in the early '80s).  I agree with the previous comments recently posted regarding the dues structure.  I sent my dues for this year at the last minute. But it will be the last year I will do so unless the dues structure is radically altered to reflect the fact I and other practitioners such as myself can no longer afford this expense. 

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  • 2.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-09-2013 07:33 PM


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    Mark Robin AIA
    Mark Robin Architecture
    Nashville TN
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    Once again the AIA is evolving to sustain us in the future.  In our history has any other such efforts improve the profession.  If so, why would such mannerism be employed

    From my perspective as a small project practitioner, the only way to elevate our lot is to make our services a requirement.  The services of other professions like medicine, accounting, lawyering are used through need, not value.   Firms need accounts to figure taxes, partnership filing, etc.  To obtain eye glasses one first must see an ophthalmologist.  What I am saying is the the total legislative efforts of the AIA should be to pass the necessary legislation so than no construction in this country can be permitted without the services of an Architect.

    The level of services that should be required should provide an sustainable life for architects.  Morover the benefits to society and the better built environment with make our value obvious.  As things are now the Institute will continue struggling trying to sell value while "need" is what can sustain us.




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  • 3.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-10-2013 06:18 PM
    So Mark, just to clarify, you would like the public to be "sentenced" to architectural services. In my opinion, that is a negative way of going about it. We would be stooping to the level of every other special interest group. Don't you think that a much more positive approach would be for us to get better at what we do and to work to make sure our services are seen as being so valuable that no one would even consider building a building, especially a house, without the involvement and advice of an architect? That approach is working nicely for me and many other client-oriented architects.

    I do agree with you that the AIA is not helping this cause one bit. So instead of waiting for AIA to do it for us, we need to step up to the plate and do it ourselves. We can all make our own decision about whether AIA dues are worth paying or not.

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    William Hirsch AIA
    ARCHITECT
    William J. Hirsch, Jr, Inc.
    West End NC
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  • 4.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-11-2013 08:49 PM
    In Minnesota Architects do have a monopoly on most design work and the scope of practice is defined by  exceptions.  Houses and residences up to a three-plex, farm buildings and the like are the exception.  So here and many states we do (don't you think require is a better word than sentence") people to use architects.

    However making the requirement work is where it falls apart.  Building Officials have exempted themselves from observing or requiring the proper certification of plans.  And now interior designers are working to create a "practice act" that allows them to practice what is not considered architecture.  As we all know architects just worry about making pretty outsides of buildings.

    Where the AIA and profession fail is in enforcing our monopoly.   How can we make enforcement stronger.  In part it requires us to point a finger and say "I accuse " someone else of practicing without a license and put you name on that charge.  It is not a comfortable thing to do.  And for the people accused it is often not only unpleasant but also expensive to be brought before the board.   Despite complaining about a lack of work, few of us, including the AIA want to take part in the enforcement of our practice.  And the failure to do that has gutted our standing, practice and reward.  

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    Peter Carlsen AIA
    Carlsen & Frank Architects
    Saint Paul MN
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  • 5.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-13-2013 02:03 PM

    Peter - Of course I was trying to be provocative by using the word "sentenced" instead of "required." But I have always resisted all things compulsory. That is probably a leftover reaction to the draft during the Viet Nam years. But regardless of what we call it, making it mandatory to use an architect still seems like a very negative way to improve our market appeal. And as you point out, there are always those who try to skirt any requirement. Actually, I think you encourage that whenever you make anything a requirement.

    If we are seen as an added expense with little benefit rather than be a good investment with plenty of benefit, we are fighting an uphill battle. Let's discuss ways we can make ourselves so valuable to our clients, we actually become a net savings for them.
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    William Hirsch AIA
    ARCHITECT
    William J. Hirsch, Jr, Inc.
    West End NC
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  • 6.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-16-2013 12:51 PM


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    Jeannie Belove AIA
    Principal
    Jeannie Belove, AIA
    Miami FL
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    With the downturn, it is getting worse and worse out there. Our own colleagues are working for a pittance in the Residential market. Architects are sealing drawings for Design Build Guys and the public has  no idea what we do.  The average or even above average homeowner will listen to the Builder over the Architect. Where have we lost our way and our credibility? Surely the AIA should help us in educating the public about the Architects role. I have been paying dues just to keep track of my credits but am not at all sure I will continue to do so. I also agree that those practicing without a license should be reported. Maybe some sort of anonymous reporting system could be set up???? It is rampant in the US and around the world !!! Its so disheartening for the small practitioner and it is not getting any better.





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  • 7.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-17-2013 07:30 PM
    Bill,

    A profession is granted an area of exclusive practice.   Doctors get to hand out poison and cut open humans.  No one else gets to do it.   Lawyers get to stand before the bar, write up certain legal documents.  No one else gets to do it.  And architects and engineers each have an area of practice over which it is required that only we provide those services.  Architecture mainly controls exiting patterns.  Not very glamorous.  

    The interior design profession would love to have the authority to arrange all the insides of buildings exclusively and just let architects decorate the outside of the box.    Is that what you want?  They keep calling themselves "space planners," which used to be the key material manipulated by Architects.  

    Perhaps you are just an old 60's guy and feel everybody should be able to do anything.  Go to a doctor and who knows if he ever fixed a bone before.   Myself, I think we should keep other people from practicing Architecture.  We should defend our area of practice.  I don't have enough work.  Perhaps you do and that is why you are so willing to share.  

    Each state does things a little differently.  Does your state licensing statuette just define Architecture as a "title act." or is it written as a "practice act."  Let's not try to go backwards.  

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    Peter Carlsen AIA
    Carlsen & Frank Architects
    Saint Paul MN
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  • 8.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-17-2013 07:35 PM


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    Dale Cexton AIA
    Architect
    Dale L. Cexton Architects
    Oceanside CA
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    I echo must of the thoughts that other have suggested.  I have practiced architecture for 38 years, some of those years without a license and 25 years with a license. I have experienced it from both sides. The problem that I have seen over the years is central to the need or value of an architect.  We have all seen those people who have been to school, taking the tests to become licensed architects and they couldn't design themselves out of a paper bag, let a lone manage the business.  When I talk to builders, developers why they have issues with architects they bring up one of these folks. Like all professions you have to regulate our own to keep the value high in providing our services.  The AIA for as long as I can remember has always looked after the large practices, government projects and the like. Those of us who like the residential and residential scale architecture have always had to deal with the competition of drafting services or all of those employees you had to lay-off, (those people with no skin in the game). When you have States with Business Codes that allow the practice without a license we will always have this problem.

     

    The public does not know the value of an architect or what we can do for their project.  In the present day market the public is looking for the cheapest price with no regard for scope of service, quality of design and the cost effective solution that no only saves money it can increase the value of the project. I can explain those qualities if I can make the contact. You will always have some that look at price but there are others who could see the value. The trick is the get as many proposals out to find those true value concerned clients. I have used the internet to market to these people with marginal success.  If appears when people want to build something, they lookup a builder online. The builder has a draftsperson who will design what the builder wants and can build for the greatest profit, i.e. the simplest solution no flare. I wish the AIA would do a study on what a prospect would do if they wanted a new home, remodel an existing home or even tenant improvements and how would they search for the solution. Also it would be interesting to find out what their priorities are in the selection process. If we are going to pay the dues and they say we are here to help trying doing a focus survey.   


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  • 9.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-18-2013 03:33 PM
    Hi Dale, 

    RE: I wish the AIA would do a study on what a prospect would do if they wanted a new home, remodel an existing home or even tenant improvements and how would they search for the solution. Also it would be interesting to find out what their priorities are in the selection process. 

    You might find this archived AIA CRAN webinar addresses some of your questions: 
    http://network.aia.org/cran/Resources/ViewDocument/?DocumentKey=8a45f0b2-4937-494d-8838-7214968a8f6a 

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    Kathleen Simpson
    Director, Knowledge Communities
    The American Institute of Architects
    Washington DC
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  • 10.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-19-2013 07:40 PM
    The referenced presentation is about online branding, not about finding out what our clients want. But it brings up a really important point: We (collectively) talk more about what we do (market, design, etc.) than about what our clients want us to do.

    I subscribe to a number of online fora, magazines and e-newsletters designed for contractors and my perception is that about 90% of the content is on the topics of understanding clients, marketing and general business "best practices". The only content that ever discusses how to build is generated by building product vendors--sales pitches.

    By comparison, architectural fora and virtual and print publications tend to focus on examples of admirable design (60% by my estimation), building technologies (10% by my estimation--a significant portion of which is building product sales masquerading as education), avoiding liability (10% by my estimation), CADD and BIM (10% by my estimation) and starchitect gossip about who got what job, who joined what firm, who retired and who died (10% by my estimation). Where is the content for architects about the demographics and desires of our clients? Where is the content for us about how to run our businesses successfully? Where is the content for us about how to advance in our careers through the byzantine maze of traditional private practice? Where is the content for us about navigating an atypical career (in corporate architecture, in government, in para-architectural design, etc.)? Are we still in a Victorian age where discussion of "business" is unbecoming of "gentlemen"?

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    Sean Catherall AIA
    Herriman UT
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  • 11.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-15-2013 10:34 PM

    I believe the use of an architect is a blessing not a punishment.  As long as the Institute emphasizes "value" no obstacles to providing services will be overcame.  The need is not to extort but to protect the public health, safety and welfare.

    I understand that in states where services of a architect are required during the construction phase improvement are already been measured.  This results is a blessing not a punishment. 

    It makes sense to me that the total legislative efforts of the AIA should be to pass the necessary legislation so that no construction in this country can be permitted without the services of an Architect.

    To be frank, value is not an obstacle for architects it is need.  Need can be a good thing.

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    Mark Robin AIA
    Mark Robin Architecture
    Nashville TN
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  • 12.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-16-2013 05:40 PM
    I do agree that the use of an architect should be required for all construction projects.  I believe that the AIA should do whatever it takes to secure legislation to protect those of us that went to school, did our internship, and passed stringent tests to become licensed architects.  Here in Texas, the AIBD has allowed people to practice "architecture" without the skin in the game that I gave.  All of my competition for jobs and for pricing is against these individuals and those that call themselves "residential designers".  When interviewing for jobs, clients will say that they interviewed several architects and list off people that I know are not licensed to call themselves that.  I correct them and explain the difference, but when they have a bulk of work behind them, it is hard to deter them from consideration.  Plus, the proliferation of these individuals who work for pennies on the dollar force me to their level and cut my prices to even be considered for the job.

    Our professional organizations, not necessarily the AIA, but the state and national accreditation boards have allowed this to happen.  We are necessary just like an accountant, engineer, lawyer, etc. and their organizations have protected them.  It is time that we get the same protection and support so that our profession can have the same status and level of compensation.

    I would heartily support the AIA in whatever measures they feel they can take toward these goals.  I am to the point where my licensing, education, experience and creativity are inconsequential to securing jobs and if it doesn't make a difference that I am a real architect, then it certainly doesn't make a difference if I have AIA after my name. 

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    Mark Bufalini AIA
    President
    Collaborative Design Group-Architecture & Interiors, LLC
    Houston TX
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  • 13.  RE:AIA dues

    Posted 04-17-2013 09:59 PM
    Mark,
    We are the AIA and it's our job to promote the organization and this will in turn promote us. I've been competing with residential designers for several years in the same area and here's some advice that has helped me run many of them out of the market areas where I practice:

    I have found that placing yard signs in front of ALL of your projects, regardless of scale, scope, or grandeur,  creates recognition. When I hand out a card in my area, 9 times out of 10 people say, "I see your signs everywhere." Well, I have one in front of my house which happens to be across the street from a school. My favorite builder has one in front off her house on a major road. They've been there since 2005. I make a point of putting Eric Rawlings, AIA, LEED AP on all of my signs along with my company name and this has led many builders, agents, and homeowners to assume AIA means you're a licensed Architect. Sure this isn't the whole truth, but I'm not correcting anyone. 

    Reduce your scope of services to reduce your fee and not your worth. Find out what it is that is necessary to get a permit in your area and try not to over do it. As an Architect, you should have no problem providing ideas and solutions that exceed the understanding of someone that didn't bother to go through the process of getting licensed. Providing more drawings than you need does not make you more valuable or professional in the eyes of a homeowner or builder client. Many of us have a hard time understanding that concept as we often provide a set of drawings that is considered normal in the commercial world, but overkill in the residential world.

    About 90% of my work last year came either directly or indirectly through a builder or agent. Many of us hate on builders and agents. Mostly this is because they have made themselves valuable and necessary, while we've managed to do the opposite. When a builder can buy a catalogue design for about $1500 and it's normal to repeat that a 100x, that means design is only worth about $15/ house. You can't even buy a door knob or pay a guy to sweep up for that price. I have managed to convince several quality builders to pay me to design unique, one of a kind spec houses. These houses have a reputation for selling faster and for more than average. A mass produced house creates no sense of urgency in a buyer, but a unique house does. This is valuable to builders and agents. Now I have agents sending builders and home owners to me because my houses have a history of selling well. When we just design houses for homeowners, no one knows what the market place thinks of our skills. Only a sale can be used as a comp for an appraisal, so our NEW homeowner houses are appraised by judging the market sales of other NEW houses. The only kind of house that can qualify as a NEW sale is a spec house. HOMEOWNER COMMISSIONED HOUSES ARE NOT SALES!!! If you're not designing spec houses in your area, then your homeowner's appraisals are being based on those who are designing and building spec houses in your area...and we all know what that normally means.

    The AIA can't force people to value us, we must do that. Requiring Architect's stamps on all residences means we must design ALL of the spec houses. When 1.3 million of the 1.6 million houses at the top of the boom (2006) were spec houses, then how do any of you think for a second we'll be able to facilitate this? Maybe because I live in a state that is mostly rural, I get it. You're never going to convince all of the building dept's across states like GA to require our stamps on residences when there are so few of us. We have to quit expecting the AIA to wave magic wands and begin understanding that WE are the AIA and the organization is only as good as those of us that promote it and ourselves. If we want people to value us, then we must make ourselves valuable and learn how to insert ourselves into an industry that we have managed to alienate. I rarely meet Architects that are designing spec houses, yet this is the majority of the housing industry whether we like it or not. You can't put a market value on homeowner houses until they sell as a USED, DEPRECIATED item. If we don't start designing a lot more spec houses that generate NEW sales data, then I say we're doomed to wonder constantly why we are not valued in the housing industry, why HGTV doesn't feature us more, why builders and agents make more money. We can't all be designing nothing but high end millionaire and billionaire houses and wonder why people don't think of us first. It's not easy getting traction designing nice spec houses, but we did this to ourselves. We did more to alienate ourselves from the industry than anyone else. If you can't figure out a way to provide your services to the housing type that makes up 80% of the housing industry, then is it really the designer, the builder, or agent that's at fault? My web site is easy to find and all of the projects with a number at the beginning of the project name are spec houses. I'm clearly not the most talented of us, but I'm over here shooting fish in a barrel, so all of you can too! 

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    Eric Rawlings AIA
    Owner
    Rawlings Design, Inc.
    Decatur GA
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