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  • 1.  Faith & Forum issue on building

    Posted 02-20-2013 11:19 AM
    In this era of diversity of forms of worship, I wonder if those professionals retained are generic or need to be specific to the faith community they serve. To write the appropriate program or propose the appropriate design, an unbiased liturgical consultant may be required.
    I am concerned that with the recent edicts by the Catholic church retro design is becoming more important and architects are asked to select a style for the worship space rather than propose a response to the needs of the congregation.

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    Robert Wandel AIA
    WSA Studio
    Columbus OH
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 2.  RE:Faith & Forum issue on building

    Posted 02-21-2013 09:36 AM

    because most of what we do does not touch liturgy, e.g. spires and roofs and windows, barrier free access, or interior finishes, we have not often needed a specialist or liturgical consultant. when we have, we used Richard Vosko, and found him to be a collaborative partner in helping resolve liturgical issues to satisfy all parties.
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    Ilene Tyler FAIA
    Quinn Evans Architects
    Ann Arbor MI
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 3.  RE:Faith & Forum issue on building

    Posted 02-21-2013 10:22 AM
    I have designed over 40 Methodist, Catholic, Baptist, and Lutheran churches ranging from 30 seats to 4,300 seats.  I have worked with several Liturgical Consultants with poor to bad results.  As an architect, we strive really hard to meet our direct client's (usually Pastor & Parishioners) goals and their "liturgical vision" for their new worship facility.  The liturgical consultants, without exception, seemed bent on using the design professionals and their processes to try and "lead our clients to the water and make them drink" their concepts for liturgical "improvements."  Example: I have watched liturgical consultants try and convince my clients that the fact that they found great comfort in kneeling to pray at their pews is not nearly as important as having chairs with no kneelers so you easily could rearrange seating for liturgical dancing.  Liturgical consultants who truly work for the client to help meet their goals can be a great help.  So far, those have been few and far between for me.  Most seemed to care more about their personal crusade to "fix what my clients did not think was broken."

    Particularly in Catholic Churches, there have been crusaders who went too far using Liturgical Consulting as a tool to try and drastically change the worship process rather than trying to meet the actual clients perceived needs.  They have given Liturgical Consulting a damaged reputation for many of us.  If my client as a group have some conflicts or confusion about their goals, a liturgical consultant may be appropriate to referee and lead.  If a Church has a clear vision of their goals and they have an experienced architect who understands them, I see no role for a Liturgical Consultant.

    JMVHO



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    Darrel Odom AIA, LEED AP
    President
    Odom Peckham Architecture, Inc.
    Little Rock AR
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 4.  RE:Faith & Forum issue on building

    Posted 02-22-2013 05:12 PM

    Robert:

    Can you please provide documentation for the "edicts" you reference? Your note does not specify who within the "Catholic church" issues these statements. 

    This is not simply semantics or a personal pet peeve. While the Roman Catholic church is often assumed to be a linear authoritarian hierarchy, the truth is much more dynamic, with overlapping jurisdictions and a great diversity of organizations, departments, rites, dioceses, national and language councils, etc. There are also dynamic hierarchies of documents depending on the nomenclature, the author, the situation, etc.

    I believe as a professional organization, we should be particularly careful with these particularities because there is so much disinformation. It has become shorthand to say "The Vatican says..." or "The Catholic Church says..." without specificity, and these abbreviations breed detrimental presumptions and over-generalizations. As architects, this dilutes our ability to serve.

    The idea that building style and meeting the needs of a community are mutually exclusive is abhorrent. It may be somewhat ingrained in the popular church mind, but we (architects) should be a force for the amelioration of that ill. Where there is such a tension, it is precisely the problem architects should solve and a excellent design opportunity. We should be doing both and; is that not why we exist as a profession?

    Would it were that every type of professional involved in any building project were unbiased. It is true that the "Liturgical Design Consultant" has tended to be a title used by a particular set of biases, and this is unfortunate. It is why I myself cannot use the title. The error comes from an imbalance in the relative values of agency and submission stemming from a misunderstanding of the role of creativity in and around the Latin Rite (which is drastically different than for Eastern Rites or Anglican, for example). As a culture (and architectural culture) we put too much faith in creativity and not enough in humility. You cannot approach the liturgy as something which can be designed, as the very title "Liturgical Design Consulant" somewhat implies. Liturgy grows organically, but it pre-exists its manifestation and any attempt to specify its nature is already a reduction, if not an abomination. But reverently approached, there are ample opportunities to beautifully participate in its manifestation.

    To quote the well-known Conciliar Constitution on the Liturgy (an Apostolic Constitution and therefore considered universal doctrine, to be precise):

    Conforming one's will to the Magisterium of the church does not negate the value she places in the human person and that person's role as sub-/co-creator in participating in creation. Nor does she come remotely close to prescribing something so specific as a style. To quote the well-known Conciliar Constitution on the Liturgy (an Apostolic Constitution and therefore considered universal doctrine, to be precise):

    "123. The Church has not adopted any particular style of art as her very own; she has admitted styles from every period according to the natural talents and circumstances of peoples, and the needs of the various rites. Thus, in the course of the centuries, she has brought into being a treasury of art which must be very carefully preserved. The art of our own days, coming from every race and region, shall also be given free scope in the Church, provided that it adorns the sacred buildings and holy rites with due reverence and honor; thereby it is enabled to contribute its own voice to that wonderful chorus of praise in honor of the Catholic faith sung by great men in times gone by."

    We cannot forget that we are a part of a tradition, nor can we forget that that tradition is living.





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    Jason John Paul Haskins, Assoc. AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
    Locus Iste
    Church-building from Liturgy & Worship
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13


  • 5.  RE:Faith & Forum issue on building

    Posted 02-23-2013 12:16 PM
    A " Liturgical Design Consultant " should be one that works with the congregation in developing its goals for a new worship facility.  The process begins with an understanding of the "Liturgical Actions" that define the reason for the assembly to gather.  To often many of the assembly do not understand the basic elements that bring all together to worship.  It is here the "Liturgical Design Consultant" develops a series of learning workshops or sessions that break open the elements in the liturgy for all to share, discuss, and participate in the process to  create a deaper meaning and understanding of the space requirements for the rites and riturals that are primary to the worship space.  A good consultant will facilitate, teach and become a listener to the way the assembly currently gathers and bring to a concensus the ritural elements spacial requirements so the new worship space will enhance the worship experience of each individual.   

    The diverse worship facilities through out the Catholic Church history shows that each worshiping congregation has its own "style" of gathering.  A good book to read that outlines the issues of Art and Environment in worship spaces is "Built of Living Stones".  This book gives a good insite into the "creative" issues that the building of a worship space today faces and gives a guide on how to go about it.  While there are no examples of spaces in the book, it opens the door to all "styles" ... and points out that the church is not dependent on "a style" or any style, but on what we do in the space and its success of creating environments that allow for 'full and active participation". 

    Without an understanding of what the space is called to achieve, the solution most likly will not serve the assembly or the rites and riturals it is called to support.  So if you, as architect, have an intimate understanding of the liturgical requirements and can facilitate a learning process that achieves a plan that embraces the journey path the church has been on... THEN ... and only then should design begin.  Will it be a design that is based on a 10th century plan or a gathering space in the round??...if you have found the answers, and fullfilled the ability for "full and active participation" and rooted it in "our story"  then that will not matter.   
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    Gregory Davis AIA
    Abell+Crozier+Davis Architects
    San Antonio TX
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    AIA26 San Diego June 10-13