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  • 1.  Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-28-2025 04:39 PM
    What do others think about the need for cyber insurance?  My insurance agent
    recently sent me a proposal for a $700 annual premium $250,000 cyber protection 
    policy.  I am a sole practitioner twenty-six years now working with one Macbook, Archicad
    and two rotating external hard drive back ups.  My website is fairly simple and my dropbox
    does not have anything that can't be replaced.  

    So I said my exposure and risk is pretty small.
    Then a colleague from a big firm that was attacked and ransomed told me that the attackers
    spend months quietly infecting all your backups then put the hammer down.  That really
    got my attention.  If I had to pay to get my files back it would hurt a lot.  Google search
    says that small outfits should not be saying I am too small to be worth attacking.

    What do you all think?  

    Thanks,

    Saxon

    Saxon Sigerson AIA
     

    Sigerson Architects
    P.O. Box 1836
    Fair Oaks, CA 95628
    Office/iphone  (916) 863-6470
    saxon@sigersonarchitects.com
    http://sigersonarchitects.com



  • 2.  RE: Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-28-2025 05:50 PM

    Hi Saxon,

    As a sole practitioner, your risk is 100% up to you. You mention two rotating hard drives, which are offline a lot of the time so are at lower risk. You're also using a Mac, which also reduces your risk, but doesn't eliminate it. How you store those two external hard drives could ramp up the risk a lot if they are always in the same location. That's not really a cybersecurity risk though.

    The question is, how much is that data worth to you? If you can't reproduce it and all of your backups are corrupted/encrypted, then what would be your plan? 

    Personally, if I was a sole-practitioner and had a good backup strategy (one of them being cloud-based), then I wouldn't think that cybersecurity insurance would be necessary. However, I'm a little more risk accepting because I'm quite confident with technology and am fairly well versed with cybersecurity.

    Greg Francis
    Director of Operations

    ALSC Architects



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    Greg Francis Assoc. AIA
    ALSC Architects
    Spokane WA
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  • 3.  RE: Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-28-2025 06:54 PM

    Hi Saxon

     

    Curious: if you got hacked and lost all your backups via encryption, how would the payout amount be determined (presumably they don't pay out the full policy amount for every incident). 

     

    I'm not sure even a full payment of the insurance would necessarily get you to 'recovery' per se; but perhaps allow for a fairly long period of unproductivity. 

     

    I'm using this mental construct to try to compare the final state of the two different paths look: one with insurance, and one without.  Maybe that's helpful – maybe not.   I keep multiple sets of backups of different ages off line, and off premises so believe that a 'total loss' is very unlikely ... but I supposed there are levels of loss that would be pretty devastating no matter what precautions were taken, and getting a long period income replacement might be some consolation.

     

    Cheers

     

     

    Michael F. Malinowski FAIA






  • 4.  RE: Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-28-2025 07:22 PM

    Hello Saxon (and others) -

    Eight or ten years ago I opened an attachment that I shouldn't have.  The "Lockey" virus came out, and locked up a lot of my files.  Not every file, and only the ones that were in my system at the time.  But, as you can imagine, a major pain. 

    I will guess that the cyber criminals do a better job now days and their routines will continue to attack.  [ I was a bit lucky in that, while Lockey could get to any drives, even backup drives, it didn't go after emails; so, I was able to go to emails, download attachments from them, and regain basic format for reports, etc. that I was creating.  Lockey was also selective about file types - and .dwg-format files I had, as downloads from others, were locked up, but none of my ARRIS cad files were ... ] "Word", "Excell", jpg, etc were locked. 

    My General Liability insurance carrier (Travelers) wouldn't pay the ransom.  They did pay for an unsuccessful restoration attempt by a local computer service company.  The insurance rep also, after thinking for a while, gave me a name for a person "who might be able to help".  Said person tried a few files and was successful.  So, I paid for the rest of them to get unlocked, and then watched the directory display on my screen have each and every file's suffix change from "lky" (or whatever it was) to its original one.  { I have no idea how he had the "key" to do the unlocking } Insurer paid for the restoration, less the deductible.  I also got reimbursed for the time I had spent looking for fixes, which I thought was pretty reasonable.

    I suspect that the cyber crooks have better virus / ransomware now.  I also suspect that the insurers have written the policy endorsements more narrowly, thus your agent's "you can pay for this coverage" call. 

    I don't open files from people I don't know.  I don't open any of the "here is a fax sent to you" files.  I have a reasonably good cyber security program running.  I do still have a backup harddrive connected all of the time (hmm, might be good to have two, and switch between them, unplugging one for safe keeping).  No idea if paying to do backups to the cloud gets enough insulation between a potential attacker and your files.

    If your general liability coverage is an "engineers" policy (Travelers' name for what I carry), it might include "document restoration" as a covered loss.  I think that goes back to the old days where physical drawings would be redrawn if they were damaged by fire or whatever; not sure if it includes cyber material.

    I think anyone is a potential target.  And, along with losing access to your files, perhaps the crooks' programs also use your email to spread ransom attempts to everyone in your address book, and then a downstream victim comes after you for spreading the attack to their system.  It's a crazy world that we live in.



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    Joel Niemi AIA
    Joel Niemi Architect
    Snohomish, WA
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  • 5.  RE: Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-29-2025 11:18 AM

    Does your current policy not have anything currently? 

    Of your exposure risk is small then you've probably answered your question. Make sure you have a good virus software although I think Macs have pretty good antivirus software. And do more local backups on a hard drive. That's probably better money well spent. 



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    Rand Pinson AIA
    Pine Bureau
    Portland OR
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  • 6.  RE: Cyber ransom insurance needed by small offices?

    Posted 04-30-2025 11:57 PM
    Hey All thanks for weighing in on this.  Special hello to my buddies Joel and Mike.

    Note that my specific concern was if all my files in all my backups are held for ransom.  If you
    google asking if this happens where the attacker has spent time ensuring they have gotten 
    all your backups the answer I got is yes this is not an uncommon strategy.

    I posed this scenario to my agent, he queried the insurer and here is what he says this afternoon.

    There is a team that operates either at the time of the attack or even if you have a suspicion of an attack.

    If you open your computer one day and you cannot operate as usual or are approached by the hacker asking for money you can message this team on the mobile app with real time feedback. They will then get with you on deciding which route you would like to take either just paying out the ransom or if you have back up files they may suggest another plan of attack. depending on what is compromised they may not need to pay out the ransom. They will handle the negotiation fully. It is a pay on behalf upfront coverage for ransom so you do not have to cut any checks and wait for reimbursement. 

    They also handle forensics, encryption and the research on finding out where the hack happened. On the mobile app they also offer Dark web monitoring constantly searching the dark web for data. And continuous network scanning, scanning your network for anything out of the ordinary.

    Also to answer your question of what happens if your hardware is found useless from the damages of the attack. There is an endorsement on the policy called Hardware Replacement Costs Extension Endorsement that if hardware is found useless they will replace the damaged hardware and if available they will even upgrade to the next best available option within reason upon approval.

    The cost of the policy is $695 per year with a $2,500 deductable for $250,000 coverage.
    Also not the policy covers other aspects of cyber attack.

    I have pretty much decided to go for this policy.

    Thanks,

    Saxon

    Saxon Sigerson AIA
     

    Sigerson Architects
    P.O. Box 1836
    Fair Oaks, CA 95628
    Office/iphone  (916) 863-6470
    saxon@sigersonarchitects.com
    http://sigersonarchitects.com