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  • 1.  Client signatures at end of design phases

    Posted 10-21-2010 10:34 AM
    Our office is trying to tighten up our procedures for moving through the design phases.  We've decided that we need to make clear the end of each phase by having the client sign the drawings as an approval.  We are looking for advice on how to do that.  What do other firms do?  Do you have them sign the entire set, just the coversheet, or something else.  Are there legal concerns?  Is signing the drawings even a good idea?

    Next what do you do with that signature?  Do you scan the drawings just for the signature or simply archive the hard copies?

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    J. Garrett Pressick AIA
    Architect
    Wnuk Spurlock Architecture
    Washington DC
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  • 2.  RE:Client signatures at end of design phases

    Posted 10-24-2010 07:10 PM
    We have simply added on each document to be sign-off a owner name and date line, which is typically not provided on drawings or programs.

    In a recent experience for a institution, the lead persons for the User Agency were all required to sign and date on the documents. The key purpose was to show a concensus of the design at a milestone of a design phase. It did not stop, however, the client or user agency from making changes beyond that point. Nor did we enforce additional services for design changes beyond the signature. Many users asked to sign such a document fear that they are signing off on a design not fully developed by the AE or not yet fully understood by the Users.  

    Unless a signature is provided as a requirement of the contract or the Institution's policy, I do not believe a sign-off buys you any more leverage than clearly documented meeting minutes.  

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    David Moehring AIA
    Architect
    Co-Chair AIA Chicago Practice Management Knowledge Community
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  • 3.  RE:Client signatures at end of design phases

    Posted 10-25-2010 03:29 PM

    I actually think that is good practice and I advise my clients (mostly architects) to insist on it.  Meeting minutes, no matter how detailed, are always subject to argument - sometimes direct argument ("that isn't what I said" and the like) and sometimes indirect arguments ("I never received those notes").  A document that expressly approves the completion of a phase of service and authorizes the start of the next phase is pretty hard to argue against on any level.

    I like the idea of drawing a baseline at each phase of service.  Indeed, the owner can make changes thereafter, but those changes will require some sort of fee adjustment.  The issue is never making the changes (or shouldn't be - an architect should be willing to malke whatever number of changes an owner wishes so long as he/she is compensated for doing it) it is always the additional compensation required to make changes later in the process when it requires changes to a previously completed phase of service.

    Meeting minutes are better than nothing, but express approval is the best.  I have made a lot of money arguing over what meeting minutes mean - no matter how tight you think they are they can always be argued.  An express writing accepting the phase of service and authorizing the next is tough to argue against.

    As for AIA contracts and Institute policy, understand that neither are always aimed at your best legal interests but instead are a compilation of a number of sources of commntary.  The AIA cotnracts are a good basis for a busines relationship, but experience will often teach you that they can be improved on.  I would never recommend that an architect presume that AIA documents or institute policy (whatever that might be) are automatically geared to the architect's best interests.  

    I do CE sessions on how the AIA documents might be improved.  This is actually one area I include.  Preventing arguments works for the benefit of all.  As such, it works to the benefit of the owner as much as the architect. 



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    Frederick Butters FAIA
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  • 4.  RE:Client signatures at end of design phases

    Posted 10-26-2010 08:37 AM

    Great comments - can you please post a few examples of "good" meeting minutes language and "poor" meeting minutes language?

    Also, you made mention of the sign off and I do have a sign off box I put on drawings which I have all meeting participants sign at the end of the meeting.  I typically bring vellum sheets to these meetings (yes, it's not the typical blue line or bond copy, so it DOES stick out in everyone's mind 'Hey, this meeting is different'.  I'll use a red pen and have a handful of blue pens on the table... everyone can mark up as they see fit.  When the meeting is finished, I'll scan the drawings and include in a pdf file with the meeting minutes (which recap all the handwritten notes sheet by sheet, drawing by drawing if necessary to get the point across).

    I'm wondering if my sign off box language is adequate...which says...:
    "Owner's Review/Acknowledgment:  I have reviewed these drawings and request the changes as noted on these marked up "meeting review" drawings".
    the title block has the release date, phase of design work and other pertinent information.

    What do you suggest or recommend?


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    Lisa Stacholy AIA
    LKS Architects, Inc.
    Dunwoody GA
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